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Kane2814
12-29-2017, 12:17 AM
I can't get over the "Four Corpsmen" thing. It is SO cheesy, I got douche chills.... *and* it's just wrong to ignore all the other members of the Corps! Venditti needs to stop worrying about pleasing the fans of just these four guys and include the others members of the GLC already!

[shoot - I accidentally only have four stars in the poll rather than 5 and I don't know how to edit it.... ]

Space Cop
12-29-2017, 03:15 AM
It was corny, but I liked the bit of Ganthet saying they can't control those guys.

Kane2814
12-29-2017, 03:07 PM
Aside from the terrible "four corpsmen" thing ... <shudder> I am not familiar with this artist, but there were too many "screaming at the camera" faces this issue.

Also not a fan of why it took four members of the GLC to do what should only take one. One of the worst things about Johns's emphasis on them being "cops" is that we're seeing GL's being challenged by guys with guns and they should be much more powerful than that.

Star-Lantern
12-30-2017, 12:30 AM
The wrestling reference was def. cheesy and overdone, especially since Venditti took time from the story to explain it. It might be okay for one panel of a character saying that and throwing up the Horsemen hand sign, but using it for the theme of a whole issue where it's kind of beating you over the head with it is beyond pushing it. Then there's also the factor to consider that the reference will be completely lost to people who did not watch NWA/WCW, which could be A LOT of people. That's why I think it would be wise to only use that reference maybe once in a panel, not for a whole page, and certainly not a whole story.

Third issue into the arc and the artist is starting to show cracks in his work. Definitely not as solid as his first issue. There are too many over-exaggerated faces in this issue, but there are other things here and there, and it's just generally not as strong an effort as what he put out earlier. Judging by the credits, I'm also seeing he's needing help with finishing the issues, which is a sign usually indicative of problems.

On the other hand, it's good to see the Green Lanterns not doing a Corps war, and the action in this issue is okay. Not great, but okay. The downside is that it took two whole issues of (IMO) mostly uninteresting talking to get to any real action on the third issue. And this story is set up perfectly for yet another anti-climactic ending. I still hold that Venditti doesn't balance his stories really well. There's often way too much of something and way too little of other things, and then other arcs will have the same problems but the things will be reversed. For example, too much boring talking and too little action. But other times there's too much action and not enough story. Sometimes the pace is too fast, other times it's way too slow. It can sound nitpicky here, but it IS possible to get things right, and that's what a good writer would do.

Space Cop
12-30-2017, 01:56 AM
The wrestling reference was def. cheesy and overdone, especially since Venditti took time from the story to explain it. It might be okay for one panel of a character saying that and throwing up the Horsemen hand sign, but using it for the theme of a whole issue where it's kind of beating you over the head with it is beyond pushing it...

The funny thing is I know the wrestling reference, but until John said that I just assumed it was the Biblical reference that the wrestling team took for their name.

JohnMc
12-31-2017, 01:44 PM
The funny thing is I know the wrestling reference, but until John said that I just assumed it was the Biblical reference that the wrestling team took for their name.

They did take the name from the Bible. Ric Flair acknowledged it a couple of times iirc.

JohnMc
12-31-2017, 01:46 PM
Then there's also the factor to consider that the reference will be completely lost to people who did not watch NWA/WCW, which could be A LOT of people. That's why I think it would be wise to only use that reference maybe once in a panel, not for a whole page, and certainly not a whole story.

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The Horsemen have been mentioned by WWF several times. So saying only NWA/WCW fans wouldn't get the reference is not completely accurate.

Star-Lantern
12-31-2017, 11:49 PM
The Horsemen have been mentioned by WWF several times. So saying only NWA/WCW fans wouldn't get the reference is not completely accurate.

Personally, I think that's splitting hairs, since the Four Horsemen never had a worthwhile presence over there.

Space Cop
01-01-2018, 12:13 AM
^I think his point was just that they're more widely known than strictly among hardcore WCW fans.

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1140197/ricflair.jpg

Ωmega Man
01-01-2018, 03:25 AM
I liked the issue. Art was mostly good, the Controllers plan was simple enough. The big take away for me was the next arc pitting the GLC against Zod.

~//V\\~

JohnMc
01-04-2018, 10:32 PM
Personally, I think that's splitting hairs, since the Four Horsemen never had a worthwhile presence over there.

True, they usually mentioned it in a historical tone when talking about Ric Flair's career. Plus the Horsemen are in the WWF Hall of Fame and there was a DVD about the group.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/~gEAAOSwNSxU9nBq/s-l300.jpg

JohnMc
01-04-2018, 10:33 PM
I liked the issue. Art was mostly good, the Controllers plan was simple enough. The big take away for me was the next arc pitting the GLC against Zod.

~//V\\~

Are they ever going to get back to Sinestro? They reveal he's still alive and its just dropped.

Kane2814
01-05-2018, 02:13 AM
Are they ever going to get back to Sinestro? They reveal he's still alive and its just dropped.

Not to mention Parallax being missing...

Orion Pax
01-05-2018, 11:42 AM
Are they ever going to get back to Sinestro? They reveal he's still alive and its just dropped.

Last I heard he got his ass kicked by Superman.

JohnMc
01-05-2018, 06:38 PM
Last I heard he got his ass kicked by Superman.

So Sinestro's return is being handled in a non-GL book? :wallbang::wallbang:

Space Cop
01-05-2018, 08:37 PM
So Sinestro's return is being handled in a non-GL book? :wallbang::wallbang:

Well, it was a two-parter and he was pretty much MIA afterward, so it didn't change much.
It's Superman 29-30 if you want to track it down. It's a Parallax story too.

Ωmega Man
01-06-2018, 03:16 PM
I've got tired of seeing Sinestro in every other few issues of GL honestly. They don't throw the Joker into every other issue of Batman. I was glad to see Parallax show up elsewhere for once. And the story was actually pretty good.

~//V\\~

Noct
01-06-2018, 06:54 PM
We all here know very well thats not the real Parallax, that is only Johns version of it aka bugallax, yellow impurity, fear entity wharever you wanna call it, in other words: https://youtu.be/Thrp_ugMRsA

Geoff Johns: lets make it a bug!

I honestly dont know what is worst the yellow fart from the movie “fartallax” or this generic yellow bug monster

The Parallax from Convergence “Halallax” now that is the real one and IFAIK he is still out there.

Space Cop
01-06-2018, 09:46 PM
^I'd rather have the bug retcon than the stupidity of evil Hal.

Ωmega Man
01-07-2018, 03:33 AM
My favorite Parallax was when he infected Barry Allen after Blackest Night.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111223989/4489317-greenlantern60.jpg

~//V\\~

"Chosen"
01-07-2018, 04:17 AM
The Parallax from Convergence “Halallax” now that is the real one and IFAIK he is still out there.

its best to pretend that story never happened.

Noct
01-07-2018, 06:57 AM
My favorite Parallax was when he infected Barry Allen after Blackest Night.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111223989/4489317-greenlantern60.jpg

~//V\\~

“Flashallax?”


its best to pretend that Johns never happened.

Fixed.


I do understand that Hal needed to comeback one way or the other but it doesnt make any sense even for comic standars. The “yellow bug did it” is the most free out of jail card if I ever saw one. It could have been the Hal of the past from Emerald Knights and that would have been perfect.

Why does Johns always get away with his stupid retcons.

Well, at least it seem like his days in power are numbered, not saying hes finished by a long shot he still have a lot of support and fans, but here hoping he will not longer have absolute authority in DC ever again.

Star-Lantern
01-07-2018, 01:05 PM
I do understand that Hal needed to comeback one way or the other but it doesnt make any sense even for comic standars. The “yellow bug did it” is the most free out of jail card if I ever saw one. It could have been the Hal of the past from Emerald Knights and that would have been perfect.

Why does Johns always get away with his stupid retcons.

Wow. That's... actually a really, really good idea. With some fleshing out, I think that would have been a lot better than Geoff Johns' concept, if executed well. Plus, it would have absolved Hal Jordan even more, because it would have been a completely other "him" that did the emerald twilight atrocities, instead of having the character succumb to some fear entity that possessed him. It also wouldn't come off as so fanboy-ish to me, like much of Johns' absolving of Hal Jordan does (oh he was possessed, oh that Arisia thing, well, she was actually 200-something years old) because working from the previously established canon instead of making retcons would make it seem much more organic.

"Chosen"
01-07-2018, 03:44 PM
“Flashallax?”




Fixed.


I do understand that Hal needed to comeback one way or the other but it doesnt make any sense even for comic standars. The “yellow bug did it” is the most free out of jail card if I ever saw one. It could have been the Hal of the past from Emerald Knights and that would have been perfect.

Why does Johns always get away with his stupid retcons.

Well, at least it seem like his days in power are numbered, not saying hes finished by a long shot he still have a lot of support and fans, but here hoping he will not longer have absolute authority in DC ever again.


I don't hate Johns like you do. However, that renegade storyline and the other Parallax was just plain dumb and led to absolutely nothing. Best pretend it didn't happen. :fight:

Ωmega Man
01-07-2018, 04:54 PM
Wow. That's... actually a really, really good idea. With some fleshing out, I think that would have been a lot better than Geoff Johns' concept, if executed well. Plus, it would have absolved Hal Jordan even more, because it would have been a completely other "him" that did the emerald twilight atrocities, instead of having the character succumb to some fear entity that possessed him. It also wouldn't come off as so fanboy-ish to me, like much of Johns' absolving of Hal Jordan does (oh he was possessed, oh that Arisia thing, well, she was actually 200-something years old) because working from the previously established canon instead of making retcons would make it seem much more organic.

That still comes off as super fanboy-ish, in that it's the exact same idea Marvel's tried using to make their characters interesting again... "Let's just take a version of them from the past..." is becoming a trope now in comics quicker than anything else that's already cliche and predictable. It worked in Emerald Knights, but that story was well over ten to fifteen years ago. Green Lantern Rebirth had to do more than simply bring a version of Jordan back. It had to get rid of the Vuldarian shit with Guy, they tried making John more interesting by bringing up his military service that was originally in the JL toons, Geoff had to bring back the Guardians as leaders of the GLC and not a bunch of Smurf babies, etc.

I think GL Rebirth is still a good story, bug retcon or not. I believe the War of Light and everything tied to it since has been what's killed the franchise, not absolving Hal of past sins.

When Green Lantern starred Kyle and 75% of the adventures were on Earth and the series frequently had other DC characters popping up.... it was the 3rd best selling title that didn't feature Superman or Batman. The only difference between that and what we're getting with Green Lanterns is that nobody cares about Jess and Simon and the adventures are still tied to the War of Light and other shoehorned in concepts like the Phantom Lantern, the First Lantern, etc.

The franchise needs to go back to basics and do the most obvious stuff in terms of status quo. Take the two most popular GL's [Hal and Kyle], and put them in Green Lanterns and also feature them in books like JL and Titans, the rest can go to GLC and be featured in rotating stories rather than every character being in every mission every issue. That gets old quick and great ideas like the GLC vs Starros and GLC vs Brainiac are barely catching anybody's attention. It should also be noted Superman comics aren't the only place DC has good space villains to use elsewhere. Remember all of the alien species in LoSH, characters from REBELS and the modern LEGION, etc.? DC needs to start looking at the rest of the universe. Who have they already used in GLC... Cyborg Superman, Brainiac, Zod's coming up... I mean I can't wait to see the GLC vs Zod but don't waste this opportunity to tell an epic story.

~//V\\~

Noct
01-07-2018, 06:23 PM
In before Zod beat everyone and Hal comes to save the day, lets just remember that Stewart and Rayner are the ones who actually know how to handle Kryptonians

Kyle has made Ultraman his bitch in more than one occasion and John did take out Supes that one time in rebirth. I think there are more examples but would have to double check on that later



Anoher thing, shouldt there be a monument or something to bugallax since it saved the Earth from the Final Night?

That yellow bug is a HERO the sun couldt have be reignited if it wasnt for bugallax :fight: :D



like much of Johns' absolving of Hal Jordan does (oh he was possessed, oh that Arisia thing, well, she was actually 200-something years old) because working from the previously established canon instead of making retcons would make it seem much more organic.

Right. According to Johns Hal never did anything wrong in his life and everyone else is WEAK for being possesed by bugallax. The only bad thing Hal as ever done is havig daddy issues or something like that and..oh yea NO FEAR!

The thing that bothers me is that I actually like Hal or so I thought. Yes I was hyped for the return of Hal back in 2004 if only I knew this is how Geoff Johns would slowly kill the franchise...

An alternative I think Hal needs to join or create another Corps and replace Sinestro (no one want him anymore) as the parallax point of view, since that was the whole point of the name he picked in the first place. “Parallax View” to see things from another perspective opposite to the Guardians or John Stewart Corps in this case while none beign evil, the dynamic this could bring would be most interesting.

Star-Lantern
01-07-2018, 07:04 PM
Right. According to Johns Hal never did anything wrong in his life and everyone else is WEAK for being possesed by bugallax. The only bad thing Hal as ever done is havig daddy issues or something like that and..oh yea NO FEAR!

The thing that bothers me is that I actually like Hal or so I thought. Yes I was hyped for the return of Hal back in 2004 if only I knew this is how Geoff Johns would slowly kill the franchise...

Believe it or not, I actually liked Hal Jordan, too. Mainly from the Gerard Jones comics and the 1980s Steve Englehart comics. Geoff Johns soured me on that character due to the fanboyish writing, his general annoying characterization (tries to be Han Solo or something, but just comes off as a jerk and dummy to me whereas Han has something Hal Jordan lacks and can believably pull it off... more annoying still is this jerk and dummy somehow makes everything work for him because NO FEAR! ["I don't know how"], which often caused me to root against him), and the constant not so subtle reminders that Hal Jordan is top dog and all the other human Lanterns are subservient to him. And that's the version that has more or less been Hal Jordan since. It also didn't help that I generally did not like Geoff Johns' Green Lantern concepts or stories.

Noct
01-12-2018, 03:16 AM
I really want to like Hal again but neither Johns nor Venditti are making it easy

Believe it or not, I actually liked Hal Jordan, too. Mainly from the Gerard Jones comics and the 1980s Steve Englehart comics. Geoff Johns soured me on that character due to the fanboyish writing, his general annoying characterization (tries to be Han Solo or something, but just comes off as a jerk and dummy to me whereas Han has something Hal Jordan lacks and can believably pull it off... more annoying still is this jerk and dummy somehow makes everything work for him because NO FEAR! ["I don't know how"], which often caused me to root against him), and the constant not so subtle reminders that Hal Jordan is top dog and all the other human Lanterns are subservient to him. And that's the version that has more or less been Hal Jordan since. It also didn't help that I generally did not like Geoff Johns' Green Lantern concepts or stories.

If I have to read one more time about him beign the “Greatest Green Lantern of them all” Im just...gointo...dont know...I guess Ill debate it lol

Carol certainly didnt think Hal was the greatest when she chose Kyle :D

Also I just changed my av and sig to represent better my parallax views

Av = the real Parallax/Hal Jordan in The Final Night
Sig = geoff johns generic bug monster raping Hal

Big Blue Lantern
02-05-2018, 09:23 AM
I liked this issue quite a bit even though I'm lukewarm to the Controllers. The Four Corpsmen idea was the epitome of coolness since that's how the four long-time Earth GLs should see each other by this point. Also, the drama with Ganthet agonizing over Sayd's possible end was a nice set up for the next issue.