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Andrew NDB
12-23-2018, 10:57 AM
Honestly. Nothing against him... but does he? Are we better off now than had there been no "Green Lantern: Rebirth"? Why?

Space Cop
12-23-2018, 12:18 PM
Hal is Green Lantern, so yes.

Trey Strain
12-23-2018, 04:09 PM
He shouldn't star in an A title with one or more B titles revolving around him. That was tried, and it flopped. Hal just ain't all that, and besides, it's hard as hell to sell ANY title, much less one you designate as second-rate before you even publish the first issue.

They should just put him on Earth in a title that's pretty much independent of any other Lantern titles. That would work.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
12-23-2018, 08:26 PM
What they are doing now works great for me. I vote yes. Hal is the main event.

Star-Lantern
12-24-2018, 01:18 AM
Whatever gets Green Lantern success without completely compromising its integrity, or whatever seems like the most common sense thing to do to work toward success is what should be done, I think. I know that is a non-answer, and there will be a bunch of different opinions on what would be the best thing to do for success. I suppose my answer would be "no."

For example, in a scenario where WB makes another Green Lantern movie about Hal Jordan, and it isn't received well, I believe the thing to do to would be to focus on another character. I wouldn't keep doing Hal Jordan for the sake of Hal Jordan. Yet, that isn't to say focusing on Hal Jordan hasn't brought Green Lantern any success. Maybe doing Green Lantern: Rebirth when DC published it was the right thing to do at that time.

So, yeah, my answer would be no. I would do whatever seems the right thing to do at the time, and perhaps that wouldn't be always putting Hal Jordan in the spotlight.

IonFan
12-24-2018, 02:52 AM
no, Kyle all the way (:fight: come at me if you disagree :mad:)

Space Cop
12-24-2018, 02:58 AM
no, Kyle all the way (:fight: come at me if you disagree :mad:)

And yet your sig pic has Hal front and center and larger than life. Kyle's just like "I'm just honored to follow in your wake, o, awesome Hal."

Big Blue Lantern
12-24-2018, 04:39 AM
I'll have to say, "Yes, but." Hal's the most iconic GL. After nearly 60 years of being the most notable GL, it's safe to say that he's stood the test of time.

BUT, it's not only his show. His supporting cast is more essential to the GL mythos than other DC heroes since it is, by design, a story about a peacekeeping force. With all due respect to Hal, there are plenty of readers who like John, Guy, or Kyle just as much, if not more, than Hal. And, if it or not, old guys, the kiddos love Jessica.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
12-24-2018, 09:26 AM
Any kiddos that love Jessica need to be slapped like a bitch.

BLACK HAND
12-24-2018, 02:46 PM
Whenever I think GL I immediately think Hal.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
12-24-2018, 09:59 PM
Me too. He's what pops into my head when I think of Green Lantern. Same way I think of Bruce Wayne as Batman or Clark Kent as Superman. The other characters in the Bat and Superman families are window dressing. I just happen to like most of the window dressing in the GL family.

Trey Strain
12-24-2018, 11:30 PM
Geoff tried to push Hal up to the same level as Clark and Bruce, but that was never going to happen. DC created two franchise characters in 1939, and it hasn't created another one in the 80 years since then. Like Barry, Hal can sell one comic. And that's OK. It's fine. Hal doesn't need to do any more than that.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
12-25-2018, 12:20 AM
One comic for him works fine for me. Just make it good.

Big Blue Lantern
12-25-2018, 04:14 AM
Any kiddos that love Jessica need to be slapped like a bitch.

To overcome your curmudgeonliness, you only have to believe in your SUPER SELF, Dave.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/309be12b195c5189ed1378a69ffd0e32/tumblr_p2ie75waOY1vfv3y0o3_r1_500.gif

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
12-25-2018, 05:06 AM
To overcome your curmudgeonliness, you only have to believe in your SUPER SELF, Dave.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/309be12b195c5189ed1378a69ffd0e32/tumblr_p2ie75waOY1vfv3y0o3_r1_500.gif


Get off my lawn you snot-nosed little sh#t!

Hypo
12-28-2018, 04:55 PM
Get off my lawn you snot-nosed little sh#t!

Sir this is a Wendy's.

Anyways as long as the stories are interesting I don't really have a problem with Hal staying in the spotlight. Ideally they'd be able to achieve a balance with all the Earth GLs though.

Ωmega Man
12-29-2018, 10:07 AM
So long as the comic revolves around somebody tied to the GLC, then it will be Hal-centric. The only way they'd let another character take front seat is if they kill Hal again short-term to make a big deal about bringing him back again[which I'm betting we'll see happen in a couple years or so...], or if they completely dropped the Corps concept and went back to just one guy one ring with maybe some supernatural element thrown in ala Alan Scott.

Removing Hal from the GLC concept is like the Jedi losing Yoda or Obi Wan. Yeah you can tell stories without them, but the stories including them were the best.

https://i.imgur.com/JdMEEVc.png

jhpace1
12-31-2018, 01:22 AM
So long as the comic revolves around somebody tied to the GLC, then it will be Hal-centric. The only way they'd let another character take front seat is if they kill Hal again short-term to make a big deal about bringing him back again[which I'm betting we'll see happen in a couple years or so...], or if they completely dropped the Corps concept and went back to just one guy one ring with maybe some supernatural element thrown in ala Alan Scott.

Ugh. Don't give the editors/movie people ideas about an Alan Scott GL movie. They'll keep him homosexual and without Jade/Obsidian.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
12-31-2018, 03:44 PM
Ugh. Don't give the editors/movie people ideas about an Alan Scott GL movie. They'll keep him homosexual and without Jade/Obsidian.

Crossing my fingers DC forgets that stupidity when they bring the JSA back. That E2 title's GL wasn't really Alan Scott anyway. He was the gay Swamp Thing of that universe. So off the beaten path I don't even have those comics for my JSA collection. It NEVER happened...stricken from the record books!

IonFan
12-31-2018, 10:58 PM
Crossing my fingers DC forgets that stupidity when they bring the JSA back. That E2 title's GL wasn't really Alan Scott anyway. He was the gay Swamp Thing of that universe. So off the beaten path I don't even have those comics for my JSA collection. It NEVER happened...stricken from the record books!

butbutbutbutbutbut diversity, equity, equal rights and all that stuff (:rollseyes:)

Ωmega Man
01-02-2019, 02:47 PM
Crossing my fingers DC forgets that stupidity when they bring the JSA back. That E2 title's GL wasn't really Alan Scott anyway. He was the gay Swamp Thing of that universe. So off the beaten path I don't even have those comics for my JSA collection. It NEVER happened...stricken from the record books!

Its my hope that those characters are somehow explained away as "an Earth created by the strange blue visitor, full of beings that should have never existed..." in Doomsday Clock.

https://i.imgur.com/JdMEEVc.png

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
01-02-2019, 08:06 PM
#notmyearth2

CeltiC5-27
01-02-2019, 10:53 PM
Was ready to write out a long answer but Iíll just keep it short, yes. Say what you will about Hal but he will always be THE definitive Green Lantern and everyone else is just a member of his supporting cast. :hal:

Andrew NDB
01-03-2019, 04:28 AM
Was ready to write out a long answer but Iíll just keep it short, yes. Say what you will about Hal but he will always be THE definitive Green Lantern and everyone else is just a member of his supporting cast. :hal:

Can that be the case when GL flourished without him at all for the 11 years with Kyle?

Michael Heide
01-03-2019, 11:46 AM
Well, for eight or nine years. When Marz left, so did more and more readers. Then again, with all the big name creators put on the book starting with Rebirth, the same sales could have been made with any other Earth Lantern.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
01-03-2019, 02:50 PM
GL also flourished even better for 10 years under Alan Scott. He carried a solo title 2 anthologies and a team book. His sales numbers were larger than anything GL has seen since.

Michael Heide
01-03-2019, 04:10 PM
Very good point.

Star-Lantern
01-08-2019, 11:05 PM
Well, that was, of course, a completely different era when the industry as a whole was a lot healthier. However, I don't think Hal Jordan is necessary to have as a lead character for the Green Lantern franchise to flourish. However, he is, by far, the most used one, and as such, has probably built the biggest fanbase of comic buyers.

Working on comics myself, I've really learned something. Even though I didn't really learn it, because it's something we all know. The more content you put out, the more people seem to like your stuff... If it's any good. Like I said, it's something you already know, but when you actually see it in effect with your own stuff... I guess... you know it... more? You just kind of feel it differently, and your perspective on some things can open, widen, or change.

Hal Jordan has a lot more content as a leading man than any of the others, so I see why some people in power keep going back to him, and why some fans prefer him most. There's a lot of precedent there, and since he has way more content behind him than the others, there's more for writers to work with, if they care to.

I think what I'm getting at is my perspective changed from being a fan of comics, to more of a maker of comics, and looking at it that way, I understand why Hal Jordan is often in the spotlight compared to the others. Which isn't bad, because lately, I've found fans to sometimes be somewhat irrational or... mmm... how to say... their vision is sometimes clouded by fandom. It's understandable, because being a fan of something is mostly an emotional response. Things like reason, practicality, objective reality, often take a backseat to feelings.

Kane2814
02-07-2019, 05:22 AM
... lately, I've found fans to sometimes be somewhat irrational or... mmm... how to say... their vision is sometimes clouded by fandom. It's understandable, because being a fan of something is mostly an emotional response. Things like reason, practicality, objective reality, often take a backseat to feelings.

"Reason" and "objective reality" have almost no place in dramatic fiction. Those are pretty much opposing forces. ;)

Rotten2thecorps
07-09-2019, 12:02 PM
You can tell a Story about some one who does the same stuff,but at the end of the day people want the iconic Green Lantern. Marvel is kinda learning this lesson. replacement heroes seldom work. They just make people miss the old ones.

Jane Foster Thor anyone?

Michael Heide
07-09-2019, 02:07 PM
I call bullshit. Hal Jordan himself is one of those replacement heroes. John Stewart worked for ages. So did Kyle, if you like it or not. When Dick graduated to Nightwing, fans hated Jason but accepted Tim and Damian. Wally West had been Flash for 20 years and still would be if DC hadn't shat sugar into the tank.
All you need is consistently great stories, and outside of the big three, it hardly matters if you replace the secret identity behind the mask or not.

Rotten2thecorps
07-09-2019, 11:05 PM
I call bullshit. Hal Jordan himself is one of those replacement heroes. John Stewart worked for ages. So did Kyle, if you like it or not. When Dick graduated to Nightwing, fans hated Jason but accepted Tim and Damian. Wally West had been Flash for 20 years and still would be if DC hadn't shat sugar into the tank.
All you need is consistently great stories, and outside of the big three, it hardly matters if you replace the secret identity behind the mask or not.

I call bullshit. John NEVER worked. He had Mosaic which was steady,not great. Now Wally I will give you. Wally is the Seldom I was refreing to. Wally worked out best. Even that wasn't good enough though was it? People lunged at a chance to have Barry back didn't they?

Can some one else be A Green Lantern. certainly. But Thee Green Lantern. No not if the character is more then just superficial Powers or a writing Exercise. Pop culture is stubborn like that.

The trick with a "place holder" character is making them cool enough to grow beyond that,and some have and are great Editions to the DCU. The dream is the icon hero returning,and the "place Holder" getting a ongoing with steady -great sales. Kyle,Wally could do it.

EmeraldGladiator
07-13-2019, 03:33 AM
Can that be the case when GL flourished without him at all for the 11 years with Kyle?

Did it though really? My memories of the first half of the Kyle era, was two things. Kick ass art from Darryl Banks and secondly some sort of Hal appearance. He was as big a part in fact probably bigger of Kyle's book than Norman Osborne was in Ultimate Spider-Man, and the Green Goblin was in like every third arc.

Rotten2thecorps
07-13-2019, 06:02 PM
No Kyle's run started hot and was steady,a few issues here and there would pop,but usually it was just steady until the last 5 years or so,It was never awful,but It was never "the Big Book" People talked about.

And when they did it was usually about 50 and how bad it was. That cover was tight,though. In fairness though Hal had a real bad showing in the 90's. There is not much nice to say about 90's Hal. The Emerald Dawn series was great,but the ongoing was bad. They were right to change it up.