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Andrew NDB
06-29-2019, 09:26 AM
Like, it's a very different and somewhat more sparse landscape than it was 5 years ago, or even a couple. The flagship title is selling big numbers for the first time in many years... yet it seems like there isn't much hubbub about GL. Am I wrong?

How do you feel about it?

Michael Heide
06-29-2019, 10:19 AM
I think DC needs some time to wash the color spectrum out of everyone's minds. The whole Green Lantern franchise has acquired a bit of a radioactivity since Sinestro Corps War. There's too many colors, too many Earth Lanterns, not enough variety in the battles they fought.

Morrison is going back to the core of Hal Jordan in space, fighting a different threat in each issue, and that can only work if we don't put Green Lantern Corps, Red Lantern Corps, Lost Lanterns and a Larfleeze book on the shelf next to it.

And that sucks.

I want a solo Guy book. I want a solo Kyle book. I want a GLC book. But right now, that would dilute what Morrison is doing.

Andrew NDB
06-29-2019, 10:28 AM
I'm a little bit... confused.

For like 10-15 years I've wanted Morrison on a GL book. It was one of those "I want this, but I'm sure it'll never happen" things. And now he is. But this seems very specific. "i.e., you write TGL for X number of years, and then you're done." Which is very different than, say, Geoff Johns during his day. Which seems to be more like, "Mwahaha, gimme it all, I'll see what I can do!" (bury it)

But why isn't he afforded the same stuff? In a way it seems like Grant Morrison is being carte blanche to do whatever with GL in this corner, but there doesn't appear to be any particular motivation to "grow it." Which isn't to say it ought to be to full on Geoff levels, but... more than it is now.

Space Cop
06-29-2019, 12:25 PM
I don't need GL to be a massive franchise, though I would read a Guy book or a Kyle book if they came out. I grew up with GL as a single title that sometimes went into hibernation and which the world seemed unaware of for the most part, so I'm good. At least it's not hard to keep up anymore.

Trey Strain
06-29-2019, 02:24 PM
It's not complicated.

Green Lantern can support two books, and John and Kyle can do fine in Justice League and Titans respectively. Guy sold fine in his GLC comic until Geoff got the genius idea to make him a blood puker. Put him back in the Corps with a strong supporting cast, and put Hal on Earth. And don't call Guy's comic "Green Lantern Corps" because that name carries the stench of a B title.

But Guy needs to get back at Batman before comics nerds in general will take him seriously. Like maybe by putting him in a submission hold and making him tap out.

Hypo
06-29-2019, 03:46 PM
I'm a little bit... confused.

For like 10-15 years I've wanted Morrison on a GL book. It was one of those "I want this, but I'm sure it'll never happen" things. And now he is. But this seems very specific. "i.e., you write TGL for X number of years, and then you're done." Which is very different than, say, Geoff Johns during his day. Which seems to be more like, "Mwahaha, gimme it all, I'll see what I can do!" (bury it)

But why isn't he afforded the same stuff? In a way it seems like Grant Morrison is being carte blanche to do whatever with GL in this corner, but there doesn't appear to be any particular motivation to "grow it." Which isn't to say it ought to be to full on Geoff levels, but... more than it is now.

Morrison just isn't up to the grind of producing monthly comics anymore, I think he's made that pretty clear in interviews about how tiring and hectic he found it and how much more comfortable he was with the graphic novel format. Hell he took a 5 year break from monthlies after he finished up Batman before coming back for GL.

With his current run I think he's in his comfort zone having a predefined set of issues to work with and not having to worry about growing it into a bigger franchise. If he wanted to do that I can't imagine DC wouldn't give him the go ahead as he's still a bankable creator even though he might not be at the heights of popularity he once was.

As for how I feel about the state of the franchise right now, I'm enjoying Morrison's take but I am a little worried that once he's done we're going to have the next creative team come in and start from scratch, kind of like how the WW books seem to soft reboot every time a new team comes on.

Trey Strain
06-29-2019, 05:32 PM
Morrison just isn't up to the grind of producing monthly comics anymore, I think he's made that pretty clear in interviews about how tiring and hectic he found it and how much more comfortable he was with the graphic novel format. Hell he took a 5 year break from monthlies after he finished up Batman before coming back for GL.


I don't think writing two issues a month would be a huge strain, if that were your full-time job. I get it though that if you've written as many stories as he has, the ideas wouldn't come as readily any more.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker
06-29-2019, 08:15 PM
I always wanted to see GL grow as a franchise and be this big sprawling series of monthlies like Spidey, Bats and superman had. For me it turned into a "be careful what you wish for" thing. I regret ever wanting GL to be bigtime with mass appeal. Right now I am QUITE content to have GL be it's own little corner of the DC universe again. Small enough to keep the fair weather fans away, the great title of everyone knows about.

I miss seeing John and Guy honestly. What I think they should do is let Morrison have his 24 or so issues, then when a new creative team comes in, keep the Hal book going and add a GLC title. Give John Guy and Kyle rotating arcs in that where they all come to the forefront separately and together.

Don't even think of adding a 3rd title. And never mention the wretched pansy-ass emo spectrum ever again. Let it go.

Trey Strain
06-29-2019, 08:44 PM
GL can sell two titles, as long as one isn't designated as a B title. No designated B title has sold since the Silver Age, but they never stop publishing them and hoping for a better result.

IonFan
06-30-2019, 03:43 AM
i can't get past the art, for me it's :puke:

jhpace1
07-01-2019, 10:29 AM
The art may be for certain tastes, I find it too "dreamy". I'd really like to get back to the classic Hal. vs. Sinestro, John Stewart vs. the other Corps, Guy Gardner vs. galactic baddies, Kyle Rayner with the other Corps and Guardians. Maybe after the JLA finishes with Ultraviolet Sinestro and the "Year of Villainy" we could get the classic Sinestro back. Just repair the Source Wall and stuff the Ultraviolet spectrum behind it again and let Sinestro rebuild in the Antimatter Universe.

I can't believe none of the Guardians would think of using Kyle Rayner against the Cyborg Superman with the Phantom Ring. A ring that uses all of the Emotional Spectrum - yeah, we have a GL for that, his name's Kyle. He's been a White Lantern before.

As for Soranik Natu and the Sinestro Corps, you could make a major story arc revving them together with Sinestro.

Michael Heide
07-01-2019, 12:22 PM
I agree that it's not exactly Ivan Reis or Carlos Pacheco art. But Liam Sharp's style fits these stories like few others would. That vampire planet issue or the issue inside Hal's ring are beautiful exactly the way they are.

But I'll admit that that's not to everyone's taste.

Rotten2thecorps
07-03-2019, 01:50 AM
None of those really describe my feelings. The art feels like the 90's reboot art,it's kinda got a 70's magazine look. Grant seems to understand the character but there is no heart behind it. It just feels like something he is doing.

EmeraldGladiator
07-10-2019, 07:30 PM
Ok I am preparing for the attack of the Morrison fanboys on this, but here is my feeling about TGL. The book is selling well and I am happy for it. While I didn't care for Vendetti's initial run, I really enjoyed HJ&tGLC. If he started his run with that instead of what he did. He would be held in higher regard. Back to Morrison, the Green Lantern corner of the franchise is a pretty ideal place to tell all the crazy Morrison-like stories he wants to tell but I don't feel that he has advanced my love for Hal as a character or Green Lantern as a franchise at all. Don't get me wrong it is good to see a GL book selling well but for me seeing Hal trounce Zod brought (rendered by Rafa) brought me more joy than all of the TGL so far. TGL seems more of a service to Morrison and getting him back on a successful monthly than it is about to the Green Lantern franchise. For me Morrison would be perfect for a GLCQ type title. I just don't know, in fact I fear what condition the TGL book will be in after he leaves it. Morrison left the New Gods in a near toxic state after Final Crisis. If not for Xorn and Cassandra Nova, nothing of his X-Men run is ever mentioned.

Michael Heide
07-10-2019, 07:40 PM
Quentin Quire, Glob Herman, Fantomex, White Queen as a heroine, all Morrison concepts still appearing in books today. And his death of Jean Grey lasted for a respectable 15 years.

Andrew NDB
07-10-2019, 08:40 PM
Morrison left the New Gods in a near toxic state after Final Crisis.

Technically "Countdown" left the New Gods in a "near toxic state" (as in murdering all of them), nothing Grant did. And Grant rebirthed them all at the end of Final Crisis... only for them to get rebooted anyway a few months later in the New 52.

HalFingJordan
09-17-2019, 05:41 PM
I miss the colored Corps and the GLC in general. There was simply no need whatsoever to sod things down to the level as they've done with Grant.

I admit even with Geoff I was getting a little bit of the "been there, done that" with the big events but at least that felt like Green Lantern. Everything Geoff accomplished has been stripped away.

Mister Ed
09-17-2019, 06:07 PM
I'm not happy with the idea of focusing on an alternate Blackstar reality for any amount of time. Even one issue of that seems like too much. I don't want to go back to Geoff Johns, with the constant retcons and endless events, but this run is mostly just a bunch of weirdness that isn't going anywhere I want to follow. There HAS to be something in between those two, right?

Sylent_Asassin
09-27-2019, 10:36 PM
As much as I liked Geoffcon bringing Green Lantern to the forefront, I didn't appreciate the fact that Hal was almost never the main focus. The storylines were all about the other Lanterns and their plight, and Hal ended up being a plot device in his own title.

After Venditti's run with the whole "Renegade" thing, I was turned off and haven't really read another GL book since. It's hard to believe that he was on the title for five years. It's like everyone was asleep or in a comic coma during that time.

I have all of the issues from Morrison's run in a stack at home, but haven't found or made the time to start reading again. Maybe I'll give it a shot during the holidays when I can get through all the issues at once. Still, I haven't heard anything flattering that would make me immediately grab the books and start reading again.

Andrew NDB
09-30-2019, 05:11 PM
As much as I liked Geoffcon bringing Green Lantern to the forefront, I didn't appreciate the fact that Hal was almost never the main focus. The storylines were all about the other Lanterns and their plight, and Hal ended up being a plot device in his own title.

After Venditti's run with the whole "Renegade" thing, I was turned off and haven't really read another GL book since. It's hard to believe that he was on the title for five years. It's like everyone was asleep or in a comic coma during that time.

I have all of the issues from Morrison's run in a stack at home, but haven't found or made the time to start reading again. Maybe I'll give it a shot during the holidays when I can get through all the issues at once. Still, I haven't heard anything flattering that would make me immediately grab the books and start reading again.

There definitely isn't an aura of "must read!" to the Morrison GL books. Sadly.

Star-Lantern
10-02-2019, 12:32 PM
How happy am I with Green Lantern? I'm okay with it, I guess. I don't read the current run, but I kind of keep up with what is generally going on. I still read back issues occasionally.

My investment in Green Lantern has gone way, way, WAY down, but I actually don't mind. Green Lantern used to frustrate me a lot, but I feel much more at peace with it these days. However, I think a lot of that has to do with apathy, to be honest. DC can do whatever with GL, and while I will have an opinion on it, I won't really mind.

I don't think I will ever go back to being a super invested hardcore fan of Green Lantern again, regardless of what DC does. That has more to do with me, though. I shifted my focus from being a comics fan to a comics creator, and that changed my perspective a lot. Instead of looking at comics like, "Grrrr, they're always ignoring my favorite character," like fans often do, I'm more interested in evaluating if the creators are effectively accomplishing what they set out to in the telling of the story, and if the overall direction is inspired. Furthermore, all the emotion and energy I put into Green Lantern is now going into my own creative work, and I don't think that will ever change, and I don't really want it to.

I don't really care what happens with Green Lantern because I'm having fun with my own toys, and I can control what happens with them, so I don't have to worry about someone behind the scenes who hates my favorite characters and sabotages them...which is a load off and VERY liberating. When I look back at my time with Green Lantern...eh...it was probably more frustrating to me than it was enjoyable, and that isn't even exaggerating. And I kind of wonder how much of a fan of it I actually was. Because if you really wrestle with something that much, and it frustrates you more often than not...do you REALLY like it?

I'm not happy with the idea of focusing on an alternate Blackstar reality for any amount of time. Even one issue of that seems like too much. I don't want to go back to Geoff Johns, with the constant retcons and endless events, but this run is mostly just a bunch of weirdness that isn't going anywhere I want to follow. There HAS to be something in between those two, right?

If Sharpe needs a break (which is understandable) and Morrison wants to shift focus during that break, I think it would have been better to tell a 3 part story with John Stewart and the Green Lantern Corps; Kilowog, Arisia, Salaak, Guy Gardner, and a squirrel. Fans haven't seen those characters on an adventure in a while now. And if DC wants to rehabilitate Green Lantern after Venditti ran it into the ground, then the Corps will need to be addressed.

Space Cop
10-02-2019, 01:24 PM
...And I kind of wonder how much of a fan of it I actually was. Because if you really wrestle with something that much, and it frustrates you more often than not...do you REALLY like it?...

Maybe not, but it's not the uncommon. Maybe you like how something starts but it never captures that magic again. Or you jump in at a certain point and that's the way it's supposed to be for you. I don't think that's right or wrong. It just means you have a particular favorite way of looking at it.

It's not all that different from people who are doggedly loyal to the local baseball team, but spend most of their time complaining about how bad they've been.

Andrew NDB
10-02-2019, 03:55 PM
It's kind of like... a comedian comes out (Geoff) and bombs hard so 90% of the audience leaves, then an oh-kay comedian came out for a while to sort of repeat the first comedian's performance (Venditti) and more people leave... then finally a guy comes to the mic who doesn't even realize he's supposed to be doing comedy and starts doing speakeasy stuff (Morrison). By this time nobody even cares.