*** The GLCMB Villain Draft ***

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

The Rules



9. Following the 5th round every participant will be randomly assigned another contestants team. You will be responsible for picking a Hero to combat the team of Villains. This will be done as a 6th round.

10. Voting will take place in three categories. Team Theme Creativity, Overall Team, Hero Assignment.

11. When all is said and done my word is final. If you try and draft "Herpes" and you can convince me that it's a villain... well then good for you. If you try and draft G'Nort and can't convince me.... then you need to make another pick. I'll try and be as just and objective as possible.

I don't have any prizes... but I'll look around and see if I can't find something in my long boxes to give away. Like the first issue of Shadow Hawk or something awful like that.


So.... is that ok with everybody or are there any glaring omissions that I made?


THE DRAFT ORDER/PICKS
1. kamikaze watermelon
Lobo (DC)
Toxin (Marvel)
General Grievious (Indy)
Militia (DC)
Solomon Grundy (DC)

VS.

Kyle Katarn (JohnnyV)

2. Projekt - Crippling Fear
Sinestro (DC)
Governor (Indy)
Scarecrow (DC)
Sabbac (DC)
Green Goblin (Marvel)

VS.

Saint Walker (Spider-Lantern)

3. Michael Heide - The Evil Hidden Within
Piccolo Daimao (Indy)
Kid Marvelman (Indy)
The Demon Etrigan (DC)
The Void (Marvel)
Onslaught (Marvel)

VS.

The Punisher (projekt)

4. fearless2814.1 - They Came From Outer Space!
Larfleeze, a.k.a. Agent Orange (DC)
Hank Henshaw (DC)
Terrax the Tamer (Marvel)
Venom (Marvel)
Exar Kun, Dark Lord of the Sith (Indy)

VS.

Doctor Fate (lanternut)

5. W. West - Ra's Al Ghul's SPEED DEMONS
Hunter Zolomon aka Zoom (DC)
Eobard Thawne aka Reverse-Flash (DC)
SUPER Scourge the Hedgehog(INDY)
Quicksilver of Earth 1610
Ra's Al Ghul (DC)

VS.

Waverider (Michael Heide)

6. Godmera - The Five D's of D Evil
Doctor Doom (Marvel)
Darkseid (DC)
Deathstroke the Terminator (DC)
Doomsday (DC)
Devastator (Indy)

VS.

Thor (Brady SD)

7. allwillbemine - Rogue Kings
Tyrannosaurus Reich (DC)
Satanus (Indy)
Shivat
Devil "Hellstrom" Dinosaur (Marvel)
T-Rex from Jurassic Park (Indy)

8. Spider-Lantern - Evil That Will Never Die
Gabriel Gray a.k.a. Sylar (Indy)
Ultron (Marvel)
Thanos (Marvel)
Circe (DC)
Alex Mercer (Indy)

VS.

THE SPECTRE (Colonel Xonic)

9. JohnnyV - The Other Side Of Darkness
Dormammu (Marvel)
Bizarro (DC)
Malebolgia (Indy)
Onimar Synn (DC)
Chtylok (Marvel)

VS.

King Mickey Mouse (GreenLantern888)

10. FrEaKjOkErXXX - Cirque Of Clown
Violater(Indy)
Joker (DC)
The Jester (Marvel)
The Clown (Indy)
Harley Quinn (DC)

VS.

Doctor Voodoo (fearless2814.1)

11. Colonel Xonic - Dex Starr's Those Of The Inner Corpse
Dex Starr (DC)
Carnage (Marvel)
Parallax Rayner (DC)
Nine-Tailed Demon Fox
Darth Nihilus (Indy)

VS.

J'onn J'onzz the Martian Manhunter (W.West)

12. GreenLantern888 - Good Guys Gone Bad
Black Adam (DC)
Dark Phoenix (Marvel)
Riku (Indy)
Superboy-Prime (DC)
Darth Vader (Indy)

VS.

Lucifer Morningstar (allwillbemine)

13. lanternut - Injustice League
Despero (DC)
Mongul (DC)
Clayface (DC)
Sabretooth (Marvel)
Darth Talon (Indy)

VS.

Sodam Yat (jchicchuv)

14. Brady SD - Death Toll in the Hundreds of Billions
Galactus (Marvel)
Alexander Luthor Jr. (DC)
Plutonian (Indy)
Cassandra Nova (Marvel)
Hunger (Marvel)

VS.

Doctor Manhattan (FrEaKjOkErXXX)

15. jchichuv
Atrocitus (DC)
Apocalypse (Marvel)
Freddy Kreuger (Indy)
Owlman (DC)
Ultraman (DC)

VS.

Godzilla (Godmera)

[FrEaKjOkErXXX Torch Bearer Find all posts View Profile Close FrEaKjOkErXXX]

Sounds good. Can't wait till we start.

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fucking awesome folks, ive gots some thinking to be done...

[Michael Heide Heide Finition Find all posts View Profile Close Michael Heide]

The "Indy" Villain could be anyone outside the DC/Marvel Universes.

So a Vertigo character would count as an Indy character? Because it's not the DC universe proper? How about Marvel's Icon, Epic and MAX lines? How about Elseworlds and What Ifs?

Each character drafted must have at least ONE "credited" Comic Book Appearance.

Including the Indy Villain(s)? So I couldn't pick Scream's Ghostface, for example (who shouldn't be picked anyway, because there were so many people behind that mask), because he doesn't have a comic appearance? Do webcomics count? And what do you mean with "credited"? A mere cameo isn't enough?

If you try and draft "Herpes" and you can convince me that it's a villain... well then good for you. If you try and draft G'Nort and can't convince me.... then you need to make another pick.

How does this mesh with the twelve-hour time window? If I pick Professor Power, a supervillain parody I created for a Poetry Slam short story, and eleven-and-a-half hours later, you tell me that he is an invalid pick because he doesn't have a comic book appearance - does that mean that I only have 30 minutes left to pick someone else? Or does the clock reset, and I could spend days picking random Disney princesses in eight-hour intervals to stall time while trying to think of someone specific?

THE PARTICIPANTS
1) Michael Heide

Confirmed.

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3. Once the order is announced each person will have 12 hours to post their pick. Each person will post the day and time of their pick along with their pick and are responsible for notifying the following participant that it is their turn. If you feel that you are not going to be available to make your pick you can send your pick to a proxy and have them pick in your stead.

I'd make this at least 24 hours, because of people living in different time-zone's etc.


Unfortunately I see this going the same way as the last villain draft, but I hope not. Won't be joining though.

Good luck, if you need anything from me, let me know (Polls, thread titles etc.)

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

So a Vertigo character would count as an Indy character? Because it's not the DC universe proper? How about Marvel's Icon, Epic and MAX lines? How about Elseworlds and What Ifs?

Vertigo counts as DC and Icon, Epic and MAX count as Marvel.

Including the Indy Villain(s)? So I couldn't pick Scream's Ghostface, for example (who shouldn't be picked anyway, because there were so many people behind that mask), because he doesn't have a comic appearance? Do webcomics count? And what do you mean with "credited"? A mere cameo isn't enough?

I'm not sure if "Ghostface" has ever appeared in a comic book... but if he has then you could pick one of the characters that wore the costume.

Webcomics DO count provided they are published by a FOR PROFIT website. No self published stories unless you work for Image or something.

As for "credited" I mean if the person is acknowledged by name. The reason I included this was because I can remember an issue of Armor Wars where Michael J Fox, Christopher Loyd, Hulk Hogan and others appear but are never directly named. Only heavily hinted at. So... as long as the character is acknowledged as being that character it's fine... even if the appearance is only a one panel cameo.

How does this mesh with the twelve-hour time window? If I pick Professor Power, a supervillain parody I created for a Poetry Slam short story, and eleven-and-a-half hours later, you tell me that he is an invalid pick because he doesn't have a comic book appearance - does that mean that I only have 30 minutes left to pick someone else? Or does the clock reset, and I could spend days picking random Disney princesses in eight-hour intervals to stall time while trying to think of someone specific?

You'll be granted another 12 hours if I step in an invalidate a pick.

Poetry Slam short stories wouldn't count since it wouldn't qualify as a published comic book appearance. If you pick two invalid picks in a row your turn will be over and you'll get a make up pick in between rounds.

Confirmed.

Thanks for helping me narrow down the rules. I seriously encourage this kind of nitpicking. Better to get it all hashed out now.

Anybody else see any glaring problems we haven't addressed yet?

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

I'd make this at least 24 hours, because of people living in different time-zone's etc.


Unfortunately I see this going the same way as the last villain draft, but I hope not. Won't be joining though.

Good luck, if you need anything from me, let me know (Polls, thread titles etc.)

The only reason I'm not going with 24 hours is that I don't want this to take forever.

Thanks for the offer.

[FrEaKjOkErXXX Torch Bearer Find all posts View Profile Close FrEaKjOkErXXX]

So for rule #10, does that mean that the team will be graded on their compatibility with each other or just how cool of a team it is?

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

So for rule #10, does that mean that the team will be graded on their compatibility with each other or just how cool of a team it is?

I would encourage you to vote using the following criteria... but at the end of the day you gotta do what you gotta do.

Team Theme Creativity
How clever or interesting a collection of characters someone has.

Overall Team
How effective or powerful you feel the team would be.

Hero Assignment
How appropriate the choice of Hero was.
If someone picked a team of peanut themed villains and then you picked a Jelly themed Hero... you would get my vote.


This way if you want to pick a team full of world movers and powerhouses you can gun for the Overall Vote... but if you want a team full of varied powers but with an interesting or clever or funny common thread then you can garner the Theme vote.

Or... if you're super awesome you can get both.

[FrEaKjOkErXXX Torch Bearer Find all posts View Profile Close FrEaKjOkErXXX]

I would encourage you to vote using the following criteria... but at the end of the day you gotta do what you gotta do.

Team Theme Creativity
How clever or interesting a collection of characters someone has.

Overall Team
How effective or powerful you feel the team would be.

Hero Assignment
How appropriate the choice of Hero was.
If someone picked a team of peanut themed villains and then you picked a Jelly themed Hero... you would get my vote.


This way if you want to pick a team full of world movers and powerhouses you can gun for the Overall Vote... but if you want a team full of varied powers but with an interesting or clever or funny common thread then you can garner the Theme vote.

Or... if you're super awesome you can get both.

Alright. Thanks.

[Michael Heide Heide Finition Find all posts View Profile Close Michael Heide]

Vertigo counts as DC and Icon, Epic and MAX count as Marvel.

I'm just asking because there are creator-owned books in each of those lines that have no tie at all to their publisher's respective universes. Which means that I could create a villain team without a single Marvel character if I just have at least one villain from, say, Book of Lost Souls. Or Criminal. This loophole seems bending the rules a bit too much, I think.

I'm not sure if "Ghostface" has ever appeared in a comic book... but if he has then you could pick one of the characters that wore the costume.

He hasn't. That's why I chose him as an example. I didn't want to break rule #8, so I went for someone that most likely won't be picked anyway.

If I wanted to pick a villain from a movie, or a video game, or a tv show or whatever... I couldn't pick them if they haven't appeared in a comic book. That's what wasn't clear for me. It is now.

Webcomics DO count provided they are published by a FOR PROFIT website. No self published stories unless you work for Image or something.

Okay.

Poetry Slam short stories wouldn't count since it wouldn't qualify as a published comic book appearance.

Once again, I only picked that character as an example because I didn't want to use characters that might be considered in the actual draft.

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

I'm just asking because there are creator-owned books in each of those lines that have no tie at all to their publisher's respective universes. Which means that I could create a villain team without a single Marvel character if I just have at least one villain from, say, Book of Lost Souls. Or Criminal. This loophole seems bending the rules a bit too much, I think.

Hmm... hadn't thought about that.

OK...

Creator owned books count as "Indy"... but Vertigo, MAX, Elseworlds, What If?, etc count as the company that publishes them.

I'm not familiar enough with the industry anymore to know if that settles that issue completely. Let me know if I need to be more clear.

Any further input on this issue is very very welcomed. I have no strong opinions on it.

[FrEaKjOkErXXX Torch Bearer Find all posts View Profile Close FrEaKjOkErXXX]

I was also thinking (wasn't planning on it but if someones else was) we shouldn't make Black Lanterns eligible for choice, Seeing as though they will more than likely be one time villains.

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I was also thinking (wasn't planning on it but if someones else was) we shouldn't make Black Lanterns eligible for choice, Seeing as though they will more than likely be one time villains.

i notion this, marvel zombies for that matter too ya?

ive got a pretty good idea on my team i think, kinda hard to think just need to let it come to me

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

I was also thinking (wasn't planning on it but if someones else was) we shouldn't make Black Lanterns eligible for choice, Seeing as though they will more than likely be one time villains.

Good call.

I'm going to say NO BLACK LANTERNS/NO MARVEL ZOMBIES.