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[Deadpool Fight like a man: with your words, not your fists. Find all posts View Profile Close Deadpool]

Try "be naughty.com" or something. That's basically a dating site which skips the dating and goes straight for the sex. So fine, chances are you won't find a woman as ho as that hooker, but at least it'll be easier on your wallet.

Then again you can't see this, so screw you.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

But there in lies the difference. Dating or courting is an established practice, where the activities you're taking part in are ultimately leading to one desired outcome. This isn't to say you can't go play putt-putt with a lady, and not have it just be putt-putt. However, if you're going as a date then the outcome both parties are striving for is the act of sex.

This is nonsensical. You are insisting that, the exact same activities with the exact same PERSON have a new, and NECESSARY end goal if you call the outing a date?

No, this reasoning only even POSSIBLY works if you insist that it is universal. Every activity that you undertake with a person that you, even if only on some subconscious level, find at all attractive, must be with the end goal of sex for this reasoning to hold any water.

Ah, well, here I said I wasn't going to argue this, and I should have stuck to that. As I assumed, the argument depends, for its validity, on assuming motives that are universal even if those possessing them "don't know it" because it is "subconscious". This makes any counterargument impossible.

["Chosen" NOT his black friend Find all posts View Profile Close "Chosen"]

I don't know about that. There have been times where I've dated women, and not expected to get action at the end of it. Usually, if I went out with a lady, it was because I genuinely liked her, so I wasn't always expecting a quick romp in the hay afterwards. If it happened, great, but going in, sex was infrequently my primary agenda. Compatibility was a big thing for me because I've dated too many women that either had nothing to say or said nothing I wanted to hear.

This man... knows what he's talking about!

[JohnnyV Pictionary Master Find all posts View Profile Close JohnnyV]

This is nonsensical. You are insisting that, the exact same activities with the exact same PERSON have a new, and NECESSARY end goal if you call the outing a date?

No, this reasoning only even POSSIBLY works if you insist that it is universal. Every activity that you undertake with a person that you, even if only on some subconscious level, find at all attractive, must be with the end goal of sex for this reasoning to hold any water.

Ah, well, here I said I wasn't going to argue this, and I should have stuck to that. As I assumed, the argument depends, for its validity, on assuming motives that are universal even if those possessing them "don't know it" because it is "subconscious". This makes any counterargument impossible.

Absolutely. The point of going to do something takes on a whole new meaning if it becomes a date. The feel, expectations, and judgement of the person across from you becomes entirely different. Why is that? Is it because of the thoughts this person might become a BF or GF? Hell no, it's because there's a tension, because you're there with the ultimate desire finding someone who will have sex with you. Again, we surround this with all sorts of cultural trappings and established societal norms, but the simplest of reasons will never change. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here as a species.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Absolutely. The point of going to do something takes on a whole new meaning if it becomes a date. The feel, expectations, and judgement of the person across from you becomes entirely different. Why is that? Is it because of the thoughts this person might become a BF or GF? Hell no, it's because there's a tension, because you're there with the ultimate desire finding someone who will have sex with you. Again, we surround this with all sorts of cultural trappings and established societal norms, but the simplest of reasons will never change. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here as a species.

Obviously, I'm not the best one to undertake this argument, but I'm intrigued.

Taking this to the logical conclusion I assume that all married (or even long monogamous) couples have significantly more sex than when they're first dating right? Couples, can you verify this?

I mean, logically, married couples are the epitome of coupling. They have no more (within reason) psychological, societal, religious, or familial barriers. So they should be at it like rabbits, right? Married women popping 'em out like an assembly line to fulfill their biological imperative to propagate the species.

And if one member of said couple should become unable to have sex, these couples will split, right? Or at least all the smart ones that are consciously fooled by the societal trappings? If a man becomes paralyzed and can no longer mate, his wife should leave him for a virile man, right? If that is the ultimate purpose of their coupling, why not? The rest is just peripheral nonsense.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Sorry, I just can't get behind any reasoning that requires that you dictate a universal motive, and dismiss everybody's own beliefs about their motives. If proof of something requires YOU to state definitively what MY subconscious desires and motivations are, then that seems like no proof at all. Granted that it is kind of an axiom that I don't know my own mind prefectly, I see no reason to assume that somebody else knows it (and the mind of every OTHER human being) better.

But, as I said, arguing against someone who is certain that they know better than I what motivates me is pointless, regardless of whether they are ultimately right or wrong.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Taking this to the logical conclusion I assume that all married (or even long monogamous) couples have significantly more sex than when they're first dating right? Couples, can you verify this?

I can't speak for dating, as I didn't have sex until after I was married, but no, we do not have as much sex as we did on our honeymoon. Somehow, I still do other stuff with my wife and enjoy it, though.

[JohnnyV Pictionary Master Find all posts View Profile Close JohnnyV]

Obviously, I'm not the best one to undertake this argument, but I'm intrigued.

Taking this to the logical conclusion I assume that all married (or even long monogamous) couples have significantly more sex than when they're first dating right? Couples, can you verify this?

I mean, logically, married couples are the epitome of coupling. They have no more (within reason) psychological, societal, religious, or familial barriers. So they should be at it like rabbits, right? Married women popping 'em out like an assembly line to fulfill their biological imperative to propagate the species.

And if one member of said couple should become unable to have sex, these couples will split, right? Or at least all the smart ones that are consciously fooled by the societal trappings? If a man becomes paralyzed and can no longer mate, his wife should leave him for a virile man, right? If that is the ultimate purpose of their coupling, why not? The rest is just peripheral nonsense.

But we aren't talking about marriage. Which is a whole other animal, as any married folks will tell you. Right, Mister Ed ?

We were simply talking about the aspects of dating and courtship. THOSE tendencies are driven by the need to mate, otherwise why have them? I think you all are confusing my statements as the act of sex itself, with the DESIRE for sex & mating. Which is what I'm driving at. The act itself may or may not happen, but that isn't the point. The point is the need and want to do so is the prime motivation.

[Fearless Agent Orange Find all posts View Profile Close Fearless]

Years from now, when a new cycle of recruits have found this place, they will look back on this thread and marvel at what we've accomplished here.

[JohnnyV Pictionary Master Find all posts View Profile Close JohnnyV]

It really has been epic, one of the more epic threads in awhile. Going from having fun at Ion's expense due to hooker problems, to Pictionary, to serious sexual discussion. I honestly don't know what I'd do without this place, while I'm at work.

[Fearless Agent Orange Find all posts View Profile Close Fearless]

Nor I, whilst I have the day off and am sitting at home, bored out of my mind...

[Sylent_Asassin Black Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Sylent_Asassin]

Years from now, when a new cycle of recruits have found this place, they will look back on this thread and marvel at what we've accomplished here.

LOL! Which is what exactly? Arguing in circles about the primary motivation of choosing partners?

I'm glad the discussion turned towards something somewhat productive, though... and no vitriol. *waits for obligatory Naysay post*

[Fearless Agent Orange Find all posts View Profile Close Fearless]

Well, now that you've summoned him and said his response was obligatory, he won't come.

[JohnnyV Pictionary Master Find all posts View Profile Close JohnnyV]

Yeah, Naysay kind of works in the opposite of The Candyman and Biggie Smalls.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Yeah, Naysay kind of works in the opposite of The Candyman and Biggie Smalls.

Which means that now that fearless said he WON'T come, he will?

But now I've implied that he will, so he won't.

But, now I've said he won't, so...