Do women love men who are jerks?

[Rotten2thecorps Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Rotten2thecorps]

What's your point? Most dating relationships end in breakups, too, I'm sure. My point is that there are a whole lotta women in romantic relationships of SOME kind with a whole lot of men. If your contention is that MOST women like jerks, that only makes sense if most of those men are jerks, or else that the women in relationships with non-jerks don't actually like them.

(I might also ask, why are so many marriages ending in divorce if women like jerks so much? They discovered their husbands aren't as jerky as they thought before they got married? )

Man you are way over thinking this. You brought up marriage,and I simply countered with,Marrage may not be the bestmeasuring stick. I don't think you can compare Marrage and dating,They are far from the same thing. But I will not discuss the levels of depth a relationship,for it is not the point nor the subject at hand.

The observation is simply that women prefer men who are jerks. I don't think it was implying all women. because some Women prefer other Women. I believe that on it's head. the idea is Most women prefer men who are jerks,and in my expeirances this is true. A question worthy of a seprat thread,would be why is this?

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Woman are usually more attracted to men who are confident, and that confidence, borderline arrogance, sometimes translates into jerkiness. In addition, confident men typically tend to be more fun and outgoing as opposed to an introverted, stereotypical "nice guy" that's conservative and boring. Just my observation over the years, and it's not across the board.

I think your point about confidence is a good one. At least it makes sense to me that an abundance of confidence might easily translate to arrogance/jerkiness.

I'm not so sure about your opposition of "nice guy" and "fun and outgoing". In my experience the people of who I would say they are a "nice guy", they are generally among the outgoing ones. I think it is difficult to be seen as nice by others if you aren't being nice TO them, which kind of requires social interaction that the introvert doesn't do well. My brother-in-law is one of the nicest guys I've ever met, and the reason I feel that way is that he's so fun and pleasant to be around.

Though I will admit that there is a tendency to describe people who are introverted and sort of boring as "nice", simply because that's the default non-insult description. The person is inoffensive, so you don't want to speak ill of them, but you can't come up with anything more distinctively positive than "nice".

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Man you are way over thinking this. You brought up marriage,and I simply countered with,Marrage may not be the bestmeasuring stick. I don't think you can compare Marrage and dating,They are far from the same thing. But I will not discuss the levels of depth a relationship,for it is not the point nor the subject at hand.?

I think you are underthinking it.

I'm not saying that marriage and dating are the same thing, except insofar that they are both relationships that you get into with somebody you LIKE (hopefully, anyway).

You are saying that most women like jerks. That SHOULD mean that most romantic relationships between a woman and a man will be between a woman and a jerk, shouldn't it? Or else that a whole lot of women are getting into romantic relationships with guys they don't like. Those options follow logically from your premise.

The observation is simply that women prefer men who are jerks. I don't think it was implying all women. because some Women prefer other Women. I believe that on it's head. the idea is Most women prefer men who are jerks,and in my expeirances this is true. A question worthy of a seprat thread,would be why is this?

Well, that question is only worthy of a separate thread for those that accept your initial premise that MOST women prefer jerks, of course.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

I just think the notion of most women preferring jerks is an inflated perception formed as a reaction by guys who don't think they are jerks (either because they aren't, or because few people think of themselves as jerks) to make any difficulties in forming a relationship all about women and their wacky preferences. In my experience there are an awful lot of nice guys out there (more than the real jerks in my experience), and an awful lot of them seem to have found women that love them. That seems statistically unlikely if it is really true that MOST women prefer jerks.

[Darth_Primus Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Darth_Primus]

Would a guy jerking off, be a jerk? I know a lot of guys like to jerk around.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

I just think the notion of most women preferring jerks is an inflated perception formed as a reaction by guys who don't think they are jerks (either because they aren't, or because few people think of themselves as jerks) to make any difficulties in forming a relationship all about women and their wacky preferences. . .

This. I've heard a bunch of guys say this or something similar, but I don't know that I've ever heard it from a guy in a happy, long-lasting relationship.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Would a guy jerking off, be a jerk?

Well, I suspect jerks do jerk off from time to time. I mean when they aren't having sex with the huge line of waiting women queing up to bask in their jerkiness.

[Rotten2thecorps Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Rotten2thecorps]

I think you are underthinking it.

I'm not saying that marriage and dating are the same thing, except insofar that they are both relationships that you get into with somebody you LIKE (hopefully, anyway).

You are saying that most women like jerks. That SHOULD mean that most romantic relationships between a woman and a man will be between a woman and a jerk, shouldn't it? Or else that a whole lot of women are getting into romantic relationships with guys they don't like. Those options follow logically from your premise.

But that is conclusion jumping. We are talking atractivness,not nessecarly realtionships. Realtionships is a whole diffrent ball game. You can be with a person for all kinds of reasons.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Part of the problem is how does one classify a jerk? Because most people have their jerkish moments. And even more LOOK like jerks to people who just dislike them for one reason or another. I think the people who I would classify as BEING jerks (meaning behaving in a more or less consistently jerky manner) are distinctly in the minority (certainly among the the group of people I have met or learned enough about through other means to make an educated judgement, which is obviously the only group about which I can speak with any assurance).

[Tazer That Evil, Yellow Bastiche Find all posts View Profile Close Tazer]

Yo.

Some women love men who are jerks. That's indisputable.

Do all women love men who are jerks? No. That's also indisputable.

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Tazer

[Sylent_Asassin Black Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Sylent_Asassin]

I'm not so sure about your opposition of "nice guy" and "fun and outgoing". In my experience the people of who I would say they are a "nice guy", they are generally among the outgoing ones. I think it is difficult to be seen as nice by others if you aren't being nice TO them, which kind of requires social interaction that the introvert doesn't do well. My brother-in-law is one of the nicest guys I've ever met, and the reason I feel that way is that he's so fun and pleasant to be around.

There is just so much grey area here. I mean, all nice guys, whether they admit not, have some jerk tendencies in them. It just depends on what pushes their buttons. In addition, some people are better at hiding their jerk tendencies, therefore labeled as a nice guy.

It's funny (well, not really) how the nice guy, much of the time is the one that goes on rampages and does something crazy in public. Then, you hear on the news about how they were so quiet and nice.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

But that is conclusion jumping. We are talking atractivness,not nessecarly realtionships. Realtionships is a whole diffrent ball game. You can be with a person for all kinds of reasons.

No, it isn't conclusion jumping, I provided two options. We were talking about what women like. If you are right that MOST women prefer jerks, that should mean that EITHER most women are in a relationship with jerks, OR most women in relationships are with men they don't like. Your last sentence seem to imply that you think the latter is the explanation. Women prefer jerks, but start relationships with non-jerks instead because... reasons and stuff.

[Rotten2thecorps Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Rotten2thecorps]

I think you are underthinking it.

I'm not saying that marriage and dating are the same thing, except insofar that they are both relationships that you get into with somebody you LIKE (hopefully, anyway).

You are saying that most women like jerks. That SHOULD mean that most romantic relationships between a woman and a man will be between a woman and a jerk, shouldn't it? Or else that a whole lot of women are getting into romantic relationships with guys they don't like. Those options follow logically from your premise.



Well, that question is only worthy of a separate thread for those that accept your initial premise that MOST women prefer jerks, of course.

Unfortunatley we form these opinions off of life experiences. and I honesty it's all we really can trust,and far as we can trust it. I base my research frm alot of bad expieriences. I have many friends who are divorced,the one who is not,treats his wife a little mean. He knows he does it yet still does it! And she complains yet never takes any sort of action. I love them both,but they are crazy,yet they have the strongest realtionship of any one I know?

Then I got my mom. My oldman treated her like crap. They have been divorced for over 28 years,yet she almost swons over him every time she talks about how abusive he was. and always follows it with,I will always love that man.

Another thing is I use to sit behind, these 4 beautiful girls in school. To hear them talk about thier men,was truly disturbing. The things they say they wanted and the things they put up with. would amaze and frighten.

[Darth_Primus Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Darth_Primus]

We need a female to voice an opinion.

To some men, I don't think if a woman is a jerk it's a deal breaker. However, typically women with bad attitudes aren't called jerks, but rather bitches.

[Rotten2thecorps Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Rotten2thecorps]

No, it isn't conclusion jumping, I provided two options. We were talking about what women like. If you are right that MOST women prefer jerks, that should mean that EITHER most women are in a relationship with jerks, OR most women in relationships are with men they don't like. Your last sentence seem to imply that you think the latter is the explanation. Women prefer jerks, but start relationships with non-jerks instead because... reasons and stuff.

But it does not. That is a conclusion. You are kinda splitting hairs. How about we focous less on your theroy,I would be intrested in hearing about what expieriences have made you champion the other side of the the discussion.