DNA Evidence Reveals Identity jack the ripper

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Yo.

Really? What evidence would you need to convict him?

I dont know....a murder weapon w/her blood & his finger prints on it, or maybe him confessing to it?

something more substantial than a soiled shawl & him having been seen with her certainly, becuz there was already suspicion alluding to them having been seen together and it wasnt enuff to bring up charges against him.

all that stain does is PROVE they were together at some point, rather than leave it up to a deniable possibility.

Do you think that he. as a suspect in the killings, just happened to have sex with one of the victims on the night she was killed?

I think its possible. she WAS out street-walker after all, and theres a good chance he wasnt the ONLY man she'd been with that night; he's just the only 1 to have apparently left evidence.




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Here's an article already critiquing the new finds.

Note this excerpt:

Richard Cobb, who runs Jack the Ripper conventions and tours, said that the shawl had been present in the same room as two of Eddowes’s descendants for three days at a conference in Wolverhampton in 2007, which could explain how her family mitochondrial DNA had come to be on the shawl.

“The shawl has been openly handled by loads of people and been touched, breathed on, spat upon,” Mr Cobb explained.

“My DNA is probably on there. What’s more, Kosminski is likely to have frequented prostitutes in the East End of London.

“If I examined that shawl, I’d probably find links to 150 other men from the area.”

It has never been proven that the shawl was found next to Eddowes. Donald Rumbelow, a Ripper expert who runs Ripper tours in East London, said that it was not included in a police list of items found with her body.

Peter Gill, a pioneer of DNA profiling, said: “The shawl is of dubious origin and has been handled by several people who could have shared that mitochondrial DNA profile.”

He pointed out that, even in photographs, Mr Edwards is seen handling the shawl without gloves.

“Normally you go for peer-review before going to the press,” he said. “This hasn’t been reviewed by the scientific community.”

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Also, the scenario is completely different than JFK. That was a single shooting and assassination of a public figure. This is a case of multiple, highly publicized murders with significant changes in method. If there were every any case suspected of sparking copycat killers (which have been known to happen) this would be a prime contender.

Serial killers rarely change their MO so this really suggests at least one copy-kill. I don't believe in a conspiracy in here but I really think that this DNA 'proof' leaves many questions unanswered.

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Well, Occam's Razor, to me, would suggest that Stride and Eddowes were not killed by the same person since it would be easier to believe two people killed that far apart in distance and that close in time with different MOs means two suspects than it is to believe that Kosmiski (who you claim was smart enough to evade the police in case #5) broke his MO and hightailed it several blocks while the police were out and committed another murder according to his usual MO (with the full mutilation).

Also, the scenario is completely different than JFK. That was a single shooting and assassination of a public figure. This is a case of multiple, highly publicized murders with significant changes in method. If there were every any case suspected of sparking copycat killers (which have been known to happen) this would be a prime contender.

In each case prostitutes in London were killed killed and mutilated by knife. The killings had a definite beginning time and a definite ending time. That time frame corresponds to when Kosmiski was able to carry them out. The mutilations were not identical, but you don't know the circumstance of each killing or the frame of mind of the killer. He may have faced time pressures in some of the cases, or he may have done it a bit differently to satisfy his curiosity or his fascination with what he was doing.

Very often when killings are going on and they suddenly stop, the police later find that the killer either died or was locked up for something else.

Occam's Razor says there was one killer, and DNA evidence says it was Kosmiski.

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Serial killers rarely change their MO so this really suggests at least one copy-kill. I don't believe in a conspiracy in here but I really think that this DNA 'proof' leaves many questions unanswered.

wile i find the news very plausible i am however curious as to how they were able to manage to pull off the dna since its hundreds of years old. youd think it be degraded

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Kosmiski was already a suspect in her killing, and now his semen is found on her bloody shawl. Any prosecutor would love to go to court with that.

No they wouldn't. The jizz could as likely already have been there before she got killed.

The murders stopped when Kosmiski got locked up. What does that tell you?

Nothing really. The killer could just as likely have moved or died. Or Kosmiski was the killer (or copy cat killer).
But all this proof is simply circumstantial.

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No they wouldn't. The jizz could as likely already have been there before she got killed.



Nothing really. The killer could just as likely have moved or died. Or Kosmiski was the killer (or copy cat killer).
But all this proof is simply circumstantial.

what about a accomplice? one guy rotting on the inside wile the accomplice is out doing more?

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In each case prostitutes in London were killed killed and mutilated by knife. The killings had a definite beginning time and a definite ending time. That time frame corresponds to when Kosmiski was able to carry them out. The mutilations were not identical, but you don't know the circumstance of each killing or the frame of mind of the killer. He may have faced time pressures in some of the cases, or he may have done it a bit differently to satisfy his curiosity or his fascination with what he was doing.

Very often when killings are going on and they suddenly stop, the police later find that the killer either died or was locked up for something else.

Occam's Razor says there was one killer, and DNA evidence says it was Kosmiski.

DNA 'evidence' can only support other evidence, not stand alone as evidence. Imagine someone being killed in front of your apartment building and they find cigarette butts near the body.
Now does the DNA evidence from all those cigarette butts support

A) One of them might belong to the killer.
B) Residents smoke in front of the apartment building because smoking inside the flats is prohibited.

So while the real killer may also be a smoker all those cigarette butts might as well be circumstantial and can only act as supporting evidence.

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what about a accomplice? one guy rotting on the inside wile the accomplice is out doing more?

I don't know. I think it's more likely that the murder with the altered MO was just someone that tried to hide an unrelated murder by acting like Jack the Ripper. It was most likely bad timing that both murders took place in such a short time.
What's the perfect murder? A murder you can blame on someone else.

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Nothing really. The killer could just as likely have moved or died. Or Kosmiski was the killer (or copy cat killer).
But all this proof is simply circumstantial.

Yeah, I wouldn't cite the "they stopped at the right time" argument as proof because:
(1) that argument also fits Sickert and possibly other suspects;
(2) it only works for the 5 canonical, but there are an additional 6 or more suspected in the wave of killings.

But as it is, my main concern isn't whether there are multiple killers or not (I don't think it could be proven one way or the other) but over the legitimacy of the new evidence. After just a couple days, a possibility for cross contamination has already been suggested. Imagine what other questions might arise after months of investigation.

As it stands, I think if I were on the "jury" I would probably want someone to verify beyond two parties (the writer and the family that will now become celebrities) who are going to profit from this.

...Very often when killings are going on and they suddenly stop, the police later find that the killer either died or was locked up for something else.

Occam's Razor says there was one killer, and DNA evidence says it was Kosmiski.

That's a theory on why Stride was killed differently. I don't see that being particularly more valid than a copycat killer. Read the background on Stride. There's reason to believe she feared for her life already and that a witness declined to name a suspect.

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I don't know. I think it's more likely that the murder with the altered MO was just someone that tried to hide an unrelated murder by acting like Jack the Ripper. It was most likely bad timing that both murders took place in such a short time.
What's the perfect murder? A murder you can blame on someone else.

im suprised they never found trophies or something missing from each murder.

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im suprised they never found trophies or something missing from each murder.

It will be hard to tell. Also, the victims were very poor, too poor even to afford fancy shawls.

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im suprised they never found trophies or something missing from each murder.

Maybe the killer took something that decayed over time, like a strain of hair

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Yo.

The murders stopped when Kosmiski got locked up. What does that tell you?

that *that* fact could be applied to all of the OTHER suspects in the case, given that the murders stopped in 1891 and he was admitted into the asylum in 1894.......




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No they wouldn't. The jizz could as likely already have been there before she got killed.



Nothing really. The killer could just as likely have moved or died. Or Kosmiski was the killer (or copy cat killer).
But all this proof is simply circumstantial.

A prior suspect's semen being found on a murder victim is not "circumstantial."