Outrage of the Week

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Accusations of hypocrisy go both ways, though.

People that claim that one's right to do what they wish with their own body should be limited when another life is at stake cannot then claim that they should have total freedom to endanger others by refusing to follow pandemic mandates. At least not without being hypocritical.

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

Accusations of hypocrisy go both ways, though.

People that claim that one's right to do what they wish with their own body should be limited when another life is at stake cannot then claim that they should have total freedom to endanger others by refusing to follow pandemic mandates. At least not without being hypocritical.

I have not nor have i ever killed anyone let alone a unborn child. People argue rape or incest but nobody can give a accurate number on how many abortions Are done just on those particular reasons. Say if its like 1 percent of all abortions you still have 99 percent that are done because people refuse to be smart and use protection wether it be condoms or birth control. And im sorry if your to broke to where you cant afford a condom wich is probably a buck for just one Shouldnt that person think about the financial situation he or she is in And make a wiser decision to hold off till he or she can afford it?? Im no parent but kids aren't cheap. Id also like to add the father of said unborn child has zero say wich i think is wrong. I just think its hypocritical you can announce what percent of the country is or isnt vaxed but cant give a number on abortion simply based on rape or incest. Personally i feel we should eliminate abortion And replace it with vasectomy and tubligation with tax payer money. If people dont want kids they can do that and in the future if they change there minds they can adopt. Im not anti premarital sex im just anti stupid decision making and i also feel male or female need to be responsible if they become parents. I speak from being raised in a single mom home she had a rough time raising 3 kids and wile my relationship with her was horrible she never said oh its to much just abort him

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

I'm not arguing in favor of abortion. I'm just saying it is hypocritical when people are so adamant about protecting unborn children, yet say "My Body, My Choice" when it comes to taking steps to protect the humans they come into contact with every day.

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

I'm not arguing in favor of abortion. I'm just saying it is hypocritical when people are so adamant about protecting unborn children, yet say "My Body, My Choice" when it comes to taking steps to protect the humans they come into contact with every day.

But thats the exact same argument the pro choice movement says. It may not be you specifically but cmon dude you really think unvaxed Americans ( thats not including illegal imigrants who aren't vax ) caused more deaths than abortion? People treat abortion like its a cure for a common cold and its normalized and accepted. Since unvaxinated people can lose there job have to show a vax id why cant we do the same for people who had abortion? Why is ok to violate my privacy if im vaxed or not but they who literally kill kids get a pass? We just took in about 100 unaccompanied kids from the Afghanistan fuck up here in Illinois and none of them are vaxed. Why isnt anyone addressing that? How many international travelers do you estimate are vaxed we allow in the usa?

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

So your argument is, "If they don't stop abortion, then nobody should have to get a vaccine"? Because I'm not buying it.

It seems much more logical to say, "I think abortion is wrong, and for the same reasons I think it is wrong to refuse pandemic mandates."

Otherwise you are like the person that objects to theft, but argues that they should be allowed to steal small stuff because other people are getting away with stealing big stuff. If somebody really believes something is wrong, the fact that some people are getting away with it shouldn't make them argue that others should be allowed to as well.

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So your argument is, "If they don't stop abortion, then nobody should have to get a vaccine"? Because I'm not buying it.

It seems much more logical to say, "I think abortion is wrong, and for the same reasons I think it is wrong to refuse pandemic mandates."

Otherwise you are like the person that objects to theft, but argues that they should be allowed to steal small stuff because other people are getting away with stealing big stuff. If somebody really believes something is wrong, the fact that some people are getting away with it shouldn't make them argue that others should be allowed to as well.

Let me ask you this . Should people who have had a abortion present there private info to a employer and should that person be not allowed to work? Your doing that for the unvaccinated. Nobodies talking about theft that's not the discussion.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Let me ask you this . Should people who have had a abortion present there private info to a employer and should that person be not allowed to work? Your doing that for the unvaccinated. Nobodies talking about theft that's not the discussion.

Well, there's a difference, and it should be obvious.

Forcing people who had an abortion to reveal that, and preventing them from working because of it would be a purely punitive endeavor. Vaccine mandates are not.

A woman who had an abortion is not putting anybody in her workplace at risk due to that fact. An unvaccinated person is. They wouldn't be preventing the unvaccinated person from working as a punishment, they'd be doing it as a safety measure. If you can't see the difference, then there is really no point in continuing this discussion.

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

Well, there's a difference, and it should be obvious.

Forcing people who had an abortion to reveal that, and preventing them from working because of it would be a purely punitive endeavor. Vaccine mandates are not.

A woman who had an abortion is not putting anybody in her workplace at risk due to that fact. An unvaccinated person is. They wouldn't be preventing the unvaccinated person from working as a punishment, they'd be doing it as a safety measure. If you can't see the difference, then there is really no point in continuing this discussion.

So hypaa law shouldn't apply in terms of asking if people are or aren't vaccinated? Isn't it a person's right to have there medical information confidential? A vaccine would fall under that protection I assume. This isn't the republican tazz speaking this is tazz the guy who worked in assistant living hypaa is very important so if they can ask about vaccinnations what does that do about mental health? Basically what I'm asking is how much privacy should be invaded in sake of protecting others ? Do we just give up all rights to our privacy ?

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

So hypaa law shouldn't apply in terms of asking if people are or aren't vaccinated? Isn't it a person's right to have there medical information confidential? A vaccine would fall under that protection I assume. This isn't the republican tazz speaking this is tazz the guy who worked in assistant living hypaa is very important so if they can ask about vaccinnations what does that do about mental health? Basically what I'm asking is how much privacy should be invaded in sake of protecting others ?

I think you have a misunderstanding of what HIPAA does. Given that vaccines are required in many different contexts already, and have been for years, it clearly doesn't mean what you think it does. It is a set of guidelines to prevent those that have a patient's health records from disclosing them without the patient's knowledge and consent. It has explicit exceptions for matters of public health.

And it wouldn't apply in this case, anyway, because HIPAA does not, in any way, limit an individual's ability to release their own health info. It also does not limit other's ability to request it from the patient themself. There are other laws in place to prevent discrimination based on health conditions or health history, and to prevent requiring people to reveal some such things, but vaccine status is not among those things, not when it is being required in the service of public safety.

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

I think you have a misunderstanding of what HIPAA does. Given that vaccines are required in many different contexts already, and have been for years, it clearly doesn't mean what you think it does. It is a set of guidelines to prevent those that have a patient's health records from disclosing them without the patient's knowledge and consent. It has explicit exceptions for matters of public health. I can simply say I find abortion a public health crisis tomorrow and I gurantee you I'd be called a evil right wing republican who is anti reproduction rights. But than h government mandates let's kiss there asses and say yes and no sir

And it wouldn't apply in this case, anyway, because HIPAA does not, in any way, limit an individual's ability to release their own health info. It also does not limit other's ability to request it from the patient themself. There are other laws in place to prevent discrimination based on health conditions or health history, and to prevent requiring people to reveal some such things, but vaccine status is not among those things, not when it is being required in the service of public safety.

Who defines what is or isn't a public safety issue ? And just because someone can dosent mean there always correct. People die every year from the common flu yet no flu shot mandate

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Who defines what is or isn't a public safety issue ? And just because someone can dosent mean there always correct. People die every year from the common flu yet no flu shot mandate

The seasonal flu is less deadly than COVID. I presume that is why it is treated differently. Is it your argument that nobody should ever have the ability to designate anything a public safety issue? That seems a tad irresponsible.

The fact remains, HIPAA only applies to health-care entities and some of their associated businesses. It doesn't apply to employers at all, and so employers asking employees for vaccination status isn't a HIPAA violation. It would be a violation if healthcare entities provided that info directly to the employer without the patient's consent, but that's not what's happening.

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

The seasonal flu is less deadly than COVID. I presume that is why it is treated differently. Is it your argument that nobody should ever have the ability to designate anything a public safety issue? That seems a tad irresponsible.

I believe people should have a legitimate choice where it dosent cost them there job or end up not earning a living . I think businesses and institution s should allow workers to sign waivers saying you have a right not to be vaccinated but you can't hold your employers responsible if you end up with covid . Sports are currently doing that now why not businesses? Mlb NFL NHL even wwe have antendees sign waivers acknowledging the risk . Also with this mandate should this also affect being outside in a public street or should these mandates be exclusive to private places? I get hounded all the time by a guard ona public sidewalk about no mask and I tell her this is public state and federal property not private so back off . Should I be harassed by someone I don't know In public?

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I believe pey should have a legitimate choice where it dosent cost them there job or end up not earning a living . I think businesses and institution s should allow workers to sign waivers saying you have a right not to be vaccinated but you can't hold your employers responsible if you end up with covid . Sports are currently doing that now why not businesses?

The main concern isn't whether the unvaccinated GET the disease (well, obviously that IS a concern, but not the concern leading to mandates). It is them PASSING ON the disease. The most effective way to avoid passing it on is to avoid getting it, and vaccines, while not perfect, are pretty clearly the most effective way to avoid getting it, short of totally isolating yourself.

If the only person at risk from an individual refusing to take pandemic precautions was the individual themself, I very much doubt we'd be seeing the mandates we are. But refusing to take sensible precautions and then insisting that you should still be able to do whatever you want without restriction doesn't just risk yourself. People absolutely should have the right to refuse to protect themself, but if they do, the rest of society has every right to take actions to protect themselves from those people.

You shouldn't be getting harassed, I agree (especially since much of that is from people that don't even understand the mandates. There are very few places that mandate a mask outdoors if you aren't gathering together. I take my mask off when I go on a walk after lunch each day).

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

The main concern isn't whether the unvaccinated GET the disease (well, obviously that IS a concern, but not the concern leading to mandates). It is them PASSING ON the disease. The most effective way to avoid passing it on is to avoid getting it, and vaccines, while not perfect, are pretty clearly the most effective way to avoid getting it, short of totally isolating yourself.

If the only person at risk from an individual refusing to take pandemic precautions was the individual themself, I very much doubt we'd be seeing the mandates we are. But refusing to take sensible precautions and then insisting that you should still be able to do whatever you want without restriction doesn't just risk yourself. People absolutely should have the right to refuse to protect themself, but if they do, the rest of society has every right to take actions to protect themselves from those people.

Dude theres new viruses everyday do we just stop living life? I spent 30 out of 36 years anti social no friends living like a hermit in my bedroom.it took till my recent surgery to treat everyday like its my last because wile it was invasive spine surgery and i couldnt use my legs the first night it gave me a new outlook on life. The people who are scared of covid need to realize if covid dosent kill you something else will and you cant just put life on hold. I can die in my sleep tonight or i can get shot just walking down the street with how my state has become i can get mugged ect. I already missed a lot of my life do to anxiety and depression i refuse to allow covid to send me back to a time in my life where fear controls me. Sorry for being all over the place but in my heart people base covid on constant fear. I know theres going to be other members on this forum debating if im doing some shtick . Truth is im not and to those members what do i have to gain by lying about what i revealed about myself? Its not like i work for a political group news organisation or writing a book. I have absolutely no issue putting my humility out there if it helps my argument about allowing fear to control us

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Taking sensible precautions is not the equivalent of living in fear. Wanting this freaking pandemic to end, sooner rather than later, doesn't mean one is allowing fear to control them.

I'm not calling you out for this specifically, but part of the reason this pandemic is dragging out this long is because of people who, rather than live in fear, have chosen to live in self-serving, willful ignorance. People who want nothing to limit them doing whatever they most desire, and so choose to treat anything that would as "fake news" or some kind of conspiracy.

I feel sorry for the people that are living in constant fear, but I feel angry at the people that are living in selfish denial.