Should the red and blue states split up?

[Trey Strain]

This chart tells the story. Every state that is below average in vaccination rates is red. Every state that is above average is blue except for Florida, which is red as hell.

In a red exit, or Rexit, some counties might want to leave their states. For example, northeast Virginia might split from the rest of the state. But the fault lines are clear.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/us-states

[Trey Strain]

If you want to understand what's going on in the United States, then read these two essays. The first was written in 1961, and the second in 2016.

https://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/...ican-politics/

https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/114513...can-liberalism

[Trey Strain]

The gulf is growing wider and wider. We need a divorce.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...nbfcL#comments

[TazzMission]

Yeah, my parents were noting that too. In both cases there were peaceful protesters and criminal rioters, but the general media terms are "peaceful protesters" (even for looters and the people who were literally preventing police from doing their job) back then and "rioters" (even for the ones just carrying signs in the back) now. Not saying today's actions were justified (nor that none of them were then), but it is interesting how one-sided the media is on things like protesters not social distancing or whether the military needs to be brought in depending on what they're protesting.

I really Wouldn't be surprised after today if protesting becomes banned and the excuse will be to protect the innocents. Probably wont happen but you never know anymore. If pelosi can ban pro nouns for sex and gender from being used in congress it Wouldn't surprise me if she repeals the first amendment so people wont be easily offended. It can happen many countries have. We really are in a pussy generation and to quote jim cornette and i quote those people need there pussy powdered

[Space Cop]

...Also how come the media wont call this pent up anger for election fraud? Blm torched citys and assulted people and the media calles it a peaceful uprising. . .

Yeah, my parents were noting that too. In both cases there were peaceful protesters and criminal rioters, but the general media terms are "peaceful protesters" (even for looters and the people who were literally preventing police from doing their job) back then and "rioters" (even for the ones just carrying signs in the back) now. Not saying today's actions were justified (nor that none of them were then), but it is interesting how one-sided the media is on things like protesters not social distancing or whether the military needs to be brought in depending on what they're protesting.

[TazzMission]

Do any of you who voted against this want to change your votes now?

Imo people are in charge of there own actions. I support trump but i Dont support any form of violence period done by people who choose to be thIs idiotic. This is what ruins protesting for rational people. The whole putting the blame on other bs needs to stop. This is why i will never attend a protest. Theres always 1 idiot whos going to start a riot. Also anyone else worried that its easy to just take over congress? Youd think security would be tighter for a federal place where leaders meet. I Dont want to be that guy to pitch a conspiracy theory but i do wonder if this was staged by the left to make the right look bad. Also how come the media wont call this pent up anger for election fraud? Blm torched citys and assulted people and the media calles it a peaceful uprising. I guess you have to be non white to not be labelled racist or wanting to keep people of color down. As horrible george w bush was nobody from anyside smashed the congress windows or try tortching the white house after George floyd. People need to keep these actions in check. It dosent help anyone

[IonFan]

Do any of you who voted against this want to change your votes now?

nope

[Space Cop]

Even less so. I don't want to be in a state run by Proud Boys and I don't want to be in a Democrats-only state either.

[Trey Strain]

Do any of you who voted against this want to change your votes now?

[TazzMission]

Well, it may help that I'm not a Democrat. I'm not registered with any party. I've voted both Democrat and Republican for President (I even voted for Ross Perot, which was probably not the best use of my vote, but seemed like a good idea at the time). This is the first time I've ever voted for somebody who won, though.

Yes, that means I voted Republican both times Obama ran. I'm not a Democrat with an axe to grind, I genuinely believe Trump is a bad President (and an awful person, too), but I'm willing to acknowledge when he does stuff that seems good, and will even defend him against what I see as unfair accusations (though when doing so, I usually also point out what I think the FAIR accusations are).

Same in terms of acknowledging the possitive achievements done. Thats why i switched and voted for him and keep in mind he's not a career seasoned politician. Realisticaly racism will still be here wich really is a shame. No party will end it because like abortion gay rights guns i feel race with those are a political advantage for votes really. Kind of similar to the bullying debate where people think bullying will end. People ask me why i dont protest and i say its because i dont want to be lumped with a group of people who cant keep there head together and do something stupid like torch a city or randomly target people . People like that ruin protesting for people who are civil rational and are decent people. Really it just takes 1 nutjob to ruin it for everybody. Besides if im going to be accused of something i want it to be for what i did not for someone elses actions

[Mister Ed]

See this is the constructive discussion i can never get with most democrats mainly in my family i really appreciate we can discuss this where we both arent being venomis

Well, it may help that I'm not a Democrat. I'm not registered with any party. I've voted both Democrat and Republican for President (I even voted for Ross Perot, which was probably not the best use of my vote, but seemed like a good idea at the time). This is the first time I've ever voted for somebody who won, though.

Yes, that means I voted Republican both times Obama ran. I'm not a Democrat with an axe to grind, I genuinely believe Trump is a bad President (and an awful person, too), but I'm willing to acknowledge when he does stuff that seems good, and will even defend him against what I see as unfair accusations (though when doing so, I usually also point out what I think the FAIR accusations are).

[TazzMission]

No, unlike Trump (and those who take everything he says as gospel truth) keep claiming about this election, I never thought Trump stole the 2016 election. Nor did his opponent, who unlike Trump, actually conceded.

I might have found it regrettable that he managed to win with far less of the popular vote than his opponent, and I do believe that Russia attempted to influence the result (not through fraud, but by influencing people through social media) in Trump's favor (though I never thought Trump actually organized that with them). But I had zero reason to think that his win came through actual voting fraud. Just like there is zero reason to think that now.

I also thought that the Democrats were wrong to try to impeach him over Russian collusion (for which there was never really good evidence), but thought that he DID obstruct justice by interfering with the investigation (even though he really didn't need to, but that's Trump for you. Even being investigated was a blow to his fragile ego, so he felt the need to interfere despite not being guilty of that charge).

I do think he should have been impeached (and removed, but the Republicans wouldn't remove him even if he murdered somebody in public, it seems) over his abuse of power in withholding aid to Ukraine that had already been approved by Congress in an attempt to get them to give him a political advantage in his campaign by announcing an investigation into the Bidens. (But unfortunately, that wasn't the grounds they impeached him on.)

See this is the constructive discussion i can never get with most democrats mainly in my family i really appreciate we can discuss this where we both arent being venomis

[Mister Ed]

I have to ask and im not trying to be a asshole but did you ever believe in 2016 trump stole the election? I just find it baffling that not just 1 but 2 elections are accused of being stolen. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it seems like these 2 elections were a way to devide the country. It feels like we are all stuck in a repeating loop

No, unlike Trump (and those who take everything he says as gospel truth) keep claiming about this election, I never thought Trump stole the 2016 election. Nor did his opponent, who unlike Trump, actually conceded.

I might have found it regrettable that he managed to win with far less of the popular vote than his opponent, and I do believe that Russia attempted to influence the result (not through fraud, but by influencing people through social media) in Trump's favor (though I never thought Trump actually organized that with them). But I had zero reason to think that his win came through actual voting fraud. Just like there is zero reason to think that now.

I also thought that the Democrats were wrong to try to impeach him over Russian collusion (for which there was never really good evidence), but thought that he DID obstruct justice by interfering with the investigation (even though he really didn't need to, but that's Trump for you. Even being investigated was a blow to his fragile ego, so he felt the need to interfere despite not being guilty of that charge).

I do think he should have been impeached (and removed, but the Republicans wouldn't remove him even if he murdered somebody in public, it seems) over his abuse of power in withholding aid to Ukraine that had already been approved by Congress in an attempt to get them to give him a political advantage in his campaign by announcing an investigation into the Bidens. (But unfortunately, that wasn't the grounds they impeached him on.)

[TazzMission]

So you've got nothing but Trump's twisted delusions. Good to know. (And that's all I'm going to say, too.)

I have to ask and im not trying to be a asshole but did you ever believe in 2016 trump stole the election? I just find it baffling that not just 1 but 2 elections are accused of being stolen. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but it seems like these 2 elections were a way to devide the country. It feels like we are all stuck in a repeating loop

[IonFan]

So you've got nothing but Trump's twisted delusions. Good to know. (And that's all I'm going to say, too.)

alright, good................................. NOW LETS GET THIS CIVIL WAR STARTED


and one more just cause