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  • As for favorite book, I think Lord Of Chaos might be it. The battle at Dumai's Wells is kinda up there for me with the battle of Minas Tirith or the dual between Anakin and Obi-wan. Favorite character, over all, it would en up being Elayne and Aviendha, I love them both to a point Anna and I named our daughters after them !^_^!


    As for the books dragging out, that was intentional. Once Perrin and Faile were separated, both characters stop, their personal evolution comes to a slow slow dragging halt. And Jordan said the story had to reflect that. You notice that after Knife of Dreams their stories pick way up their personal evolution kicks into overdrive as they both process what they went through and the situation they then find themselves in.

    I think my favorite scene in the series has to be Rand and Nynaeve cleansing the taint from Saidin. It just has this air of awesome and if and when it ever makes it to film I think it's going to be one of those TV episodes that goes down in fantasy history.




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    • I've known some people who like Lord of Chaos best. I like that book. It is a good one. I think the box was one of the worst things Rand went through. Jordan really sold me on how terrible an experience that was for him.

      If the slowing down was intentional, I think it was a really bad idea. I'm listening to Winter's Heart right now and some of the chapters really drag, in my opinion.

      Elayne and Aviendha... they're not bad, though the polygamy/polyamory thing is... strange to me. I'm sure you've heard that before. I can't help but wonder if Jordan followed that lifestyle himself, or wished to. If he did, then whatever, but I'm just saying it because of how prominent it is in his series, and I'm not entirely sure why he added that in the story. It's kind of hard for me to believe that all three women would be completely okay with it, but I guess you can always fall back on the whole ta'veren thing to explain it.

      I admire Wheel of Time and I think Jordan brilliantly built up a great world with loads of great ideas and a well developed magic system, and he wrote some really incredible books, but there are quite a few things about it that I don't like.

      - The war of the sexes is way overdone and out of hand, and I'm not exactly sure what message Jordan was trying to get across with that. Maybe you know of an interview where he addressed it.

      - After book six, and even at times before it, I think many of the books get very boring and could stand to be abbreviated. They have strong moments, but I think they could have been a lot better edited. Some people say Jordan should have had a "real" editor instead of his wife, and I can't necessarily disagree. There's tons of useless fluff in there that clogs things up, like long unimportant descriptions about women's dresses, or even more hilarious, their "bosoms." It's not necessary and gets really tiring after a while. And also a glut of entire chapters that a chore to get through sometimes.

      - Jordan should have killed a lot more characters, in particular among the good guys. The characters really start piling upon each other, and with all those characters there aren't enough deaths to keep readers on their toes. This probably wouldn't be popular with a lot of fans, but I think Lan should have died fighting Demandred. I don't mean he should have lost, but I think he should have died. For me, it would have added more weight to everything and would have given more impact to the idea of sheathing the sword. He seemed like he wanted to die anyway

      - This is a really fan-ish complaint, but I was disappointed by how Dreadlords were handled. I expected them to be Trolloc battle commanders like they were said to be during the Trolloc wars. Not just... channellers on the battlefield. Actually, I think there should have been some Dreadlords governing the Shadow in the Blasted Lands while the Forsaken were away. I would really like to know more about how the Shadow works as an organization. In particular I'd like to know more about what goes on beyond the Blight and who is in charge and who is living back there.

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      The Darth Vader Obi-Wan Battle of the Heroes fight is definitely awesome. I kinda' like the battle with Anakin and Obi-Wan against Count Dooku on the Invisible Hand in Ep. III even more, though. I'm a HUUUGE fan of Count Dooku. Both of his character and lightsaber fighting style. He's real smooth, and I think everything in that fight was on point. No real wasted motion or superfluous scenes.
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      • The thing about the Dreadlords and how the shadow was governed, well that's honestly very simple. And while I hate to do it, it's easier to compare the Shadow to Hydra. The Forsaken was always in charge. From the moment the seals were put in place to the last battle Ishamael was top dog. His word even among the other Forsaken was law.

        He directly ruled over the Dreadlords even during the Torlloc wars. They did nothing without his direct instruction. During the Final Battle, with the other forsaken free, the Dreadlords all fell under the command of many of the other Forsaken. Much like in the original war against the shadow. But they had to move slowly. The number of people who could channel was greatly decreased from the time of the original war.


        They also needed to use the Black Tower to train the new Male channelers in order to create more Dreadlords. As seen in the final novels (Spoilers everyone) They were using Myrddraal to forcibly turn men to the shadow. I would have to say more than Half of the dreadlords working in the Final Battle were forced to serve via this method. So over all the total number of people who could have some sort of authority was over all very very small. Myrddraal were seen to be and believed to be in charge of the Darkone's forces for most of history be we as the reader know that isn't the case. Ishamael had been partially free that entire time.

        As for rand and his, wives .. well it honestly makes sense to me, yes because of the Ta'veren nature of him, but also, look at who these women were.

        Elayne - Aes'Sedai and Queen of Andor and Cairhien two of the largest nations states in the known world, tired directly to one of the Heroes of the Horn of Valere, with the Ability to make Ter'angreal as well as cuendillar, lost talents emerging again.

        Aviendha - Aiel Wiseone, with the ability to read what a Ter'angreal can do by touch, and whether she liked it or not a leader among the Wiseone's as well as the Aiel, a group Rand needed much more than he believed or the reader believed he would.

        Min - A grounding Rod for Rand, who could see and know many things about people Futures just by looking at them. Where Elayne and Aviendha fawned over him, and mostly agreed with whatever he said, when he was in the room at least, Min always got in his face, kept him honest as it were and grounded to the needs of the people beyond himself and his armies.

        If Jordan had tried to somehow bind all of these desperate traits into a single woman I think no one would have bought it. A character that had that many uses, that many ties, that many traits, I'm sorry, deus ex machina would barely begin to describe the level of hoops a person would have to jump through to even being to take such a character seriously.

        You mentioned the "War of the Sexes" in the novels, again I think that outcome was a logical one given how the story starts, with Men, yes Channelers, but Men none the less, going Insane and destroying the whole world with twitches of their fingers. Women taking charge, being leaders, forcing men into generally lesser roles was a logical choice. While in the modern Era of the story that situation was far lessened in most places than what it was during or just after the Breaking, the over all idea of Women considering men to be a "Weaker" species as it were than themselves makes sense.

        The most blatant example of that is how the White Tower considered Men who could channel and Rand in particular. From the very beginning they saw him as a blight, a tool that was rusted and damaged, but that had to be used. They didn't care if he was hurt or beaten or scourged, as long as he was an obedient dog who went off to stop the Darkone and with luck died in the process. In the Great Hunt the conversation between Morain and Siuan was very clear on what they thought he needed to do and what they thought they would have to do. Again, a Tool, rusted and damaged but needed to be used.

        As for places to find his interviews and whatnot, Go here http://www.theoryland.com/listintv.php they have a extensive database of his interviews, also buying the two companion books, The World of Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time (Often called The Big White Book) or the more recent, The Wheel of Time Companion: The People, Places and History of the Bestselling Series might be resources you would want. The most recent companion book was put together by Jordan's widow, it contains information taken not only from the books but Jordan's incredibly huge collections of notes, dictations and scribbles. Harriet said his unpublished notes and researches dwarfed the actual content of the series in word count by two or three times, so there is a lot to draw from there.




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        • News Taken from BleedingCool.com




          Posted by Mary Anne Butler April 20, 2017

          The late Robert B. Jordan’s epic fantasy series Wheel Of Time is finally moving forward as a tv series after several years of on again off again development. Jordan unfortunately passed away in 2007 before finishing his series, but Brandon Sanderson took over the writing duties and completed the saga.

          You may recall the strange affair of the Wheel of Time ‘pilot‘ that aired at 2:30am on the FX stations in 2015. The story about that is strange and convoluted, and boils down to the production rights holders needed to produce something under the title to keep the rights. The pilot was strange, fans were polarized, and Billy Zane was GREAT!

          This morning, Variety broke the news that the Wheel of Time property *IS* heading towards a full series at Sony:

          Sony will produce along with Red Eagle Entertainment and Radar Pictures. Rafe Judkins is attached to write and executive produce. Judkins previously worked on shows such as ABC’s “Agents of SHIELD,” the Netflix series “Hemlock Grove,” and the NBC series “Chuck.” Red Eagle partners Rick Selvage and Larry Mondragon will executive produce along with Radar’s Ted Field and Mike Weber. Darren Lemke will also executive produce, with Jordan’s widow Harriet McDougal serving as consulting producer.
          This is pretty exciting for fans of the series, as when that 2015 short pilot aired, it came as a shock to almost everyone, and prompted Jordan’s widow Harriet McDougal to speak out about it:

          “This morning brought startling news. A “pilot” for a Wheel of Time series, the “pilot” being called Winter Dragon, had appeared at 1:30 in the morning, East Coast time, on FXX TV, a channel somewhere in the 700s (founded to concentrate on comedy, according to the Washington Post).

          It was made without my knowledge or cooperation. I never saw the script. No one associated with Bandersnatch Group, the successor-in-interest to James O. Rigney, was aware of this.

          Bandersnatch has an existing contract with Universal Pictures that grants television rights to them until this Wednesday, February 11 – at which point these rights revert to Bandersnatch.

          I see no mention of Universal in the “pilot”. Nor, I repeat, was Bandersnatch, or Robert Jordan’s estate, informed of this in any way.

          I am dumbfounded by this occurrence, and am taking steps to prevent its reoccurrence.”
          McDougal then followed the statement up the following April, saying:

          Legal issues have been resolved. ‘The Wheel of Time’ will become a cutting edge TV series! I couldn’t be more pleased. Look for the official announcement coming soon from a major studio.
          With 14 books, there is a wealth of material to pull from to build a high fantasy series that may take Game of Thrones‘s place once that series ends.





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          • I really hope they do it justice. Now starts the casting.
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            • The best we can hope for, are a ton of no name actors with a peppering of known actors for flavor. Which I think would be the best option. Because if you go with a majority of known actors, their previous rolls will taint people expectations for what the show will be like. And we want it to be a surprise.



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              • I agree they should, for the most part, be totally unknown. But you have to admit Filch would be a good Padin Fain. We could pick someone who ends up dying and have Sean Bean play that character.
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                • I have never read any of the Wheel Of Time series and am completely spoiler free on it. If I love A Song Of Ice And Fire and LOTR, would this series appeal to me?

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                  • Yo.

                    as a fan of the LoTR -books, I can say a most resoundedly *YES!!*; when I got into this series, I _fell_ into it.

                    HARD.

                    and happily.





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                      • Originally posted by Big Daddy Dave Targaryen I View Post
                        I have never read any of the Wheel Of Time series and am completely spoiler free on it. If I love A Song Of Ice And Fire and LOTR, would this series appeal to me?
                        I would like to think it would. Some people find the books a little wordy, because Jordan goes into extreme detail on a lot of things like buildings items and clothes. But for me, the amount of detail makes the world come alive, feel like a real pre-history, and it play's out like a movie in your head.




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                        • Hopefully with the amount of detail that Jordan put in it they will get it right. Will be easy or maybe hard for costumers. All I can say is I can't wait to see the Ashaman's black coat
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                          • First time I've had all my notes together for a bit of a update.



                            The Wheel of Time By Robert Jordan, Produced by Amazon Studios in association with Sony Television has been officially green lit by the studios. The series is being headed by Rafe Judkins (Screenwriter for CHUCK and Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D) Script writing for the 1st season, Covering The Eye Of The World Novel and perhaps the start of The Great Hunt, is well underway.

                            As is location scouting, casting and other pre-production items needed before filming starts. No Start of Filming Date or Air Date has been released yet. But given it's Amazon and the series will air on Amazon Prime I would guess a year and a half to 2 years max before it's 1st season is released.

                            For anyone interested Judkin's does a weekly update #WoTWednesday of sorts on the progress being made on his Twitter which can be found here - https://twitter.com/rafejudkins






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                            • Well it's about time. We've been wanting this for a very long time. I just hope it doesn't get screwed up.
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                              • I know this will be very late, But I have watched the whole first season of Wheel Of Time on Amazon Prime. And I can't recommend it at all. This show is bad, really really bad. It's a bloody CW level "Drama". It's very clear they wanted to make a "Game Of Thrones" level show. That's clear by all the included sex scenes that were never in the books. Aging the characters up so those scenes aren't bordering on barely legal porn and changing the story so much that at this point it's unrecoverable to regain the narrative structure Jordan originally intended.

                                Not to mention the blaintat fridging of a female character who was invented for the series in the second episode just to artificially push a characters story forward when it didn't need it. If you follow Perrin's story in the novels his evolution is very clear and his character arc makes more sense than Rand or Matt's in many ways. And generally this seems to be more for shock value than actually being needed for the narrative.

                                Also, during filming, one of the 3 main male actors (Dónal Finn) just up and left with no warning and no explanation. So to deal with that, instead of recasting they wrote him out of the plot for the rest of the season and in so doing fundamentally break the story.

                                In the first scene of the first episode we see Sisters of the Red Ajah chasing a man who can Channel and genteling him. This scene by itself is totally out of context to the story. I say that because there is nothing to give it much context. While fans know that Red's hunt down and gentle men who can Channel there is nothing for a person who may be seeing this for the 1st time to know that. It also doesn't explain that what they are seeing is wrong. Men who can Channel are supposed to be brought to the White Tower and then given a trial and tested before gentling. Again this is something totally left out of the narrative and causes a massive break in the story that isn't rectified at least to my satisfaction by seasons end.

                                Generally speaking I disagreed with everything, from the production design, the acting, the writing, directing and cinematography. The creature designs are yes cool. But the CGI used in many scenes look like PS2 level graphics composited by someone using Windows Movie Maker.

                                Over all avoid this, avoid it like the plague. I won't be watching season 2 and I'm going to forget this was ever made and wait for someone with actual love of the source material and respect for the authors intentions to actually make a faithful adaptation that doesn't try to make it be something it is not just because that other thing was popular.




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