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Unfortunately, Nexus was a b-rate nWo.

Which brings me to another flaw wrestling has these days - there are no decent stables around.

I used to love stables, they made for some of the best stories I've ever seen. DX, The Hart Foundation, The Nation of Domination, nWo, nWo Wolfpack, hell even the lWo and the Flock (although that turned into shit). The last great stable was the Ministry of Darkness and the Corporation, after that, we've had no good stables at all. Nexus was lame, no one cared about them because no one knew who they were.

Stable Vs. Stable matches were always fun, as well as One Man Vs. Stable spots (like when Sting would come out and kick the crap out of the entire nWo).

I think the problem is, having a Stable requires a good amount of long term stories to be had with that Stable that make it interesting.

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You are giving Nexus too much credit. I mean...b-rate?

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Part of it is on the rise and fall of WCW where Kevin Sullivan, Bischoff and Hogan are talking about the creation of the NWO. The other part where Sting talks about the macho man vs hogan angle is on the Sting VHS (cant remember the name I have it but cant find it) its the one before Sting: Back in Black.

I've watched 'The Rise and Fall of WCW' documentary several times, and don't remember this. Just popped it in for clarity sakes, and there's no discussion on who else was considered. Just Kevin Sullivan stating that he felt if Hogan turned, it would put the whole angle over the top. Which it most certainly did.

With Sting, I'm going off of RF shoot interviews with Hall and Nash, and internet searches which comes up with Sting as generally the most accepted wrestler of who else was strongly considered.

Hogan made an amazing Heel, much better than Savage, Sting, even Bret Hart. Hogan had more charisma than those three guys combined.

Yeah, Hogan definately worked out for the best. Hart would have further illustrated the whole 'outsider invasion' angle, but still wouldn't have been as shocking as a Hogan heel turn. Funny thing is that Nash stated on one of his shoot interviews (I think the one he shot for RF in 2007), that he and Hall originally thought it wasn't going to work due to Hogan once cutting a old school 10-15 minute rant promo vignette shortly after his heel turn, but changed his mind once he saw the finished product shot in B&W, and being severely edited down.

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Unfortunately, Nexus was a b-rate nWo.

Which brings me to another flaw wrestling has these days - there are no decent stables around.

I used to love stables, they made for some of the best stories I've ever seen. DX, The Hart Foundation, The Nation of Domination, nWo, nWo Wolfpack, hell even the lWo and the Flock (although that turned into shit). The last great stable was the Ministry of Darkness and the Corporation, after that, we've had no good stables at all. Nexus was lame, no one cared about them because no one knew who they were.

Stable Vs. Stable matches were always fun, as well as One Man Vs. Stable spots (like when Sting would come out and kick the crap out of the entire nWo).

I think the problem is, having a Stable requires a good amount of long term stories to be had with that Stable that make it interesting.

the last good stable imo was legacy with orton rhodes and dibiase

keep in mind it was 3 guys who are 3rd generation stars

the sad thing is the creative team didnt really do much because imo by now rhodes and dibiase jr should already be at the top of the card like orton was


i mean think about how cool it would be to see rhodes or dibiase as the wwe champion


those guys are raised around wrestling and yet they are mid card or lower and sometimes not even on tv

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The both of them have jobs in WWE because of their fathers, they both sucked ass in legacy and Ted Jr carried on sucking way after, he is lucky to even still be there.

Stables cant work today because nobody gives a fuck about the individual wrestlers in the first place, plus the roster is weak, who they going to beat up every week? those two mexican doods on smackdown? kofi? Santino?

Naa could never work, remember when they tried to bring back hart foundation, DH smith ended up getting fired, Tyson Kidd I dont even know where he is tbh, and Nat got turned into a fart skit.

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keep in mind it was 3 guys who are 3rd generation stars

Orton was the only 3rd generation person in legacy.

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The last great stable was the Ministry of Darkness and the Corporation, after that, we've had no good stables at all.

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Evolution was a second rate 4 horseman, and from what i can remember is that they didnt do anything groundbreaking as a stable except all act like flair.

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You don't have to be groundbreaking to be great.

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To Evolution's credit it was a launching point for Orton and Batista's careers who both became champion at some point. So it served its purpose.

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You don't have to be groundbreaking to be great.

but it wasnt great.

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- As recent as last week, WWE officials were reportedly considering David Otunga for a run with the United States Title. The plan was to take the belt off Santino Marella after WrestleMania 28 and some within the company are surprised that he hasn't lost it yet.


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Foley Says Ambrose Has WWE Supporters In High Places
Date Added: April 19, 2012
Story By: Marc Middleton
- The feud between Mick Foley and Dean Ambrose continues online but according to Foley, it's over. Foley has written a new blog about Ambrose on his official website. Here's part of what he wrote:

"Let me state for the record that I have only spoken to FCW prospect Dean Ambrose on three different occasions. Following his match on a WWE house show on Long Island, I went out of my way to tell him I had enjoyed his match. The skills and unique qualities qualities he posseses might very well make him a force to be reckoned with somewhere down the line. He has supporters in lofty places who feel he might be a huge asset to WWE for a decade or more in the future. I'm also told that his interviews ( "promos" as we call them) are compelling, intelligent and emotional; every bit as good as the top guys in WWE.

My second conversation with Mr Ambrose got quite a bit of attention. I know there has been alot of speculation as to the nature of this conversation. To me, it was whatever anyone wanted it to be; a shoot, a work, or somewhare in the middle - as almost all compelling pieces in sports-entertainment ultimately are.

I'm far more concerned with my third conversation with the guy. Look, Ive been accused from time to time of taking some things in the business a little too seriously. Maybe I do. But like that sailor-man of old, "I am what I am, and that's all that I am." After all these years, there are some things that just bother me. Remember that "Cane Dewey" promo from 1995 that so many are still fond of? It actually came from a very heavy place in my heart, when my wife impressed on me just how sick it was for any fan to be making a sign advocating the beating (even in jest) of my 3 year-old child.

That's the immediate feeling I got when I actually read the Dean Ambrose tweet that mentioned his dream to seeing me no longer able to make a dime in the wrestling business - with a particularly nasty mention of how he wanted to see my home repossesed and my children starved. Maybe the 1995 Cactus Jack would have cut a promo on the guy. The 2102 Mick Foley just wonders what would make something say something so stupid, heartless and ignorant. I felt Dean Ambrose had crossed a line that shouldn't be crossed, so took the opportunity before the Hampton, Virginia Smackdown to ask/tell him to please stop crossing a line that I wasn't comfortable with. Ric Flair had once asked a similar consideration of me before a memorable promo we shared in New Jersey in 2006. Of course I honored his request. Ours is a business built on trust and respect. I thought Dean Ambrose understood this. But less than a day after making my request, I saw that my children were once again the subject of his tweets - a reference to how I might feel differently about something if my children were in wheel-chairs. Maybe I would have cut a heck of a promo about it in 1995. Seventeen years later, I just wanted to get the fuck away from the whole scenario. It's not fun, it's not cutting edge. It just sucks.

Sports-entertainment has to involve a certain ammount of respect and trust. It's pretty obvious Dean Ambrose doesn't have any respect for me, my requests, or what I have done in the wrestling business. Therefore I can't place the slightest ammount of trust in him. Has anyone wondered if I'm feeling better following the concussion I spoke of in that December 2010 TNA Impact promo with Flair? I'm not feeling too much better. I tend to have two types of days when it comes to that muted, under-water feeling I spoke of in that promo - bad and worse. I'm just not the same guy who took 11 chair shots from the Rock in 1999. I haven't been that guy in a long time. Given my history of concussions, I would have to be a fool to place my future in the hands of someone I don't trust. Perhaps I do have another decent match left in me. If so, it will be with a guy like Dolph Ziggler, who might well be the best worker in the business, and just needs that ONE little something to allow the WWE Universe to see how talented he really is. Or a guy like the Miz - one of the best heels of this generation. Say what you want to about Miz, but the guy is damn good at what he does.

But Dean Ambrose? No. I may not have the power I once did in the business, but I still have the power to say no to things that just flat-out seem wrong. Like trying to put Dean Ambrose on the WWE map. A few weeks ago, it seemed like an interesting challenge. Now, it seems like an insult. A few weeks ago, it seemed like cutting-edge stuff. Now it just seems like bullshit. He is a very good talent. He has those supporters in high places. Let them wrestle him. Maybe they can put him on the WWE map. Good luck."

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Evolution sucked. It was vehicle using Flair's stable popularity to push HHH's buddies, Batista and Orton into the main event spotlight. Nothing more.

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Yeah Evolution was just all about TripleH for me, just like his version of DX.

If Evolution formed today then I would consider them a super group, but back then Orton and Batista were nobodies, but at least it did get them over.

They were at one point going to call it the new 4 horsemen, but I don't think they wanted to shit on the name, just TripleH's usual ego I guess.

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Orton and Batista's journey is what make Evolution so great. Randy Orton's match with Benoit and his feud with Triple H was awesome. Watching Orton and Batista EVOLVE was what made them a great stable.