GL: Emerald Warriors #9

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Oa couldn't have been destroyed. The stuff in the forge is billions of years old, and Kyle had previously reduced the planet to rubble. None of that stuff would have survived, so GL v3 #0 is definitely retconned.

It might not have survived, but it COULD have been recreated along with the rest of the planet. It all depends on how that recreation was handled. It has ALWAYS seemed implausible that the entire planet, plus structures, etc. could possibly have been brought forth solely from Tom's imagination (especially since I'm not sure he'd ever even been there), so if it was a reconstruction drawing on some kind of template to restore what previously existed, one can't say for certain that EVERYTHING wasn't recreated, even stuff that was "billions of years old".

Until it is explicitly stated that Oa was never destroyed, we can't say for SURE that its destruction is retconned out. We CAN say, though, that it might as well have been, since it is essentially ignored. Much the same as John's Mosaic series. Not explicitly retconned out (though some elements are), but may as well be given how thoroughly it is ignored.

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

I don't think it has been EXPLICITLY retconned. The possibility remains, however remote and unlikely, that it was simply rebuilt EXACTLY as before (plus a giant statue of Hal which is now, thankfully, gone, but which Geoff showed in Rebirth, at least ALLUDING to Tom's role in Oa's reconstruction) including things Tom could not have possibly known about, through some sort of quirk of the ring and the planet's long steeping in emerald energy.

When Tom rebuilt Oa he had Hal -- who was the Spectre at the time -- channeling the where-with-all into him to do the deed... so it's very possible it included explicit blueprints Tom himself wouldn't have been aware or conscious of. Though there's still the whole thing about Oa being rebuilt very differently... i.e., Oa was just a dirty, muddy planet with a Yellow citadel until Tom rebuilt it (in fact, Geoff's Secret Origin only reinforces this, in which we see Oa as a dirty, muddy planet with only the yellow citadel) as a sprawling, empty megapolis of buildings all blue and green.

The crypt kind of makes sense. It exists in a pocket dimension, so when Oa was destroyed, it was just like the link to it was severed... when Oa was rebuilt, the link was reestablished.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

The crypt kind of makes sense. It exists in a pocket dimension, so when Oa was destroyed, it was just like the link to it was severed... when Oa was rebuilt, the link was reestablished.

I remember coming up with this theory back when they reintroduced the crypts. Has it been confirmed, or did we both just come up with the same theory?

[SD80MAC Not a True Fan Find all posts View Profile Close SD80MAC]

The modern crypt itself is also a retcon. Originally, the crypt was a room right beneath the surface; Kyle and Hal fought there in GL v3 #0.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

The modern crypt itself is also a retcon. Originally, the crypt was a room right beneath the surface; Kyle and Hal fought there in GL v3 #0.

True, though I usually, personally don't consider those types of architectural details as rising to the level of a true retcon. Those sort of things happen all the time and I generally just chalk them up to different artistic iterpretations. Now if the crypts truly are confirmed as being in a pocket dimension, that is a bit more retcon-y, IMHO, since when Kyle and Hal fought there (or was it when Guy went there in Guy Gardner-Reborn? Or maybe both?) it was pretty clear that they were physically present on Oa, since I recall people busting through a roof or wall and ending up there.

[Slobo Fatality's Blacksmith Find all posts View Profile Close Slobo]

Who or what were the failed experiments?

Yes, I'm asking myself the same thing. I reconise the manhunter, but not the rest !
And I want know who was the first GL to !
Great issue. I loved it. And the false start of John's teleportation. So funny !

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I've pretty much decided that Johns has quietly retconned the whole destruction of Oa away. Not only is it this spiraling metropolis, similar to Star Wars' Coruscant, even in flashbacks Oa and the Guardians look like they do now. Not retconned as in he'll blatantly come out and say it's all changed, we'll just continue to see references to "ancient" artifacts on Oa and hidden things that have always been there. Hell, Oa isn't even a desert planet anymore! Don't look for any artists to despict things they way they used to be on Oa in Flashbacks anytime soon. White rookie badges, female Guardians, forgotten temples, hidden rooms, it's an all new continuity. Heck, even the continuity since Rebirth itself has been retconned.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I liked Emerald Warriors #9 quite a bit actually. Good story, good art. For a 10 part story, enough happened here to make me happy.

[-Ysmault- Guy's Drinking Buddy Find all posts View Profile Close -Ysmault-]

Hello everyone again!

Who or what were the failed experiments?

They look reptilian...probably related to the Psions.

[Gauntlet101010 Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Gauntlet101010]

I think it's reaching at this point to think Oa's destruction still happened.

We've had Ganthet (or possibly John, can't recall readily) state that the buildings on Oa were centuries old. We have the crypt. The forge. Manhunters abandoned while under construction including working pistols. Things in glass containers. Even Krona's original gauntlet.

There are still ways to preserve this piece of GL history. Maybe Tom turned back time and "rewound" OA to a certain point and then altered all of the archetecture. But I think it was just retconned out for simplicity's sake.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

It was a stupid decision to destroy Oa in the first place. They had to know they'd need it again someday. And part of the fun is getting mileage out of "ancient" mysteries on the place and exploring long hidden secrets. Who wants to explore something brand new where the paint isn't even dry?

[Jeffi.Kaiser Guy's Designated Dr Find all posts View Profile Close Jeffi.Kaiser]

Im perfectly fine with believing that Tom recreated Oa exactly like how it was.

[W.West Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close W.West]

late but Poll added.

[Gauntlet101010 Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Gauntlet101010]

It was a stupid decision to destroy Oa in the first place. They had to know they'd need it again someday. And part of the fun is getting mileage out of "ancient" mysteries on the place and exploring long hidden secrets. Who wants to explore something brand new where the paint isn't even dry?

In fiarness, this is the first time we've ever explored any ancient mysteries on Oa. Before now there just wasn't much there.

With all the retcons going on in GL, why fight this one? I'm just gonna accept it and move on.

[tommyofshaolin Green Lantern Initiate Find all posts View Profile Close tommyofshaolin]

I'm with the folks who think it's not a retconn, but Oa being "recreated" through manipulation of time so that it is the way it was before it's destruction.