GUY and Lethal Force!

[GUYCORPS Green Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close GUYCORPS]

So i was just wondering what you all thought.
Is anyone upset that GUY'S taken the next step?

We all know GUY'S killed before, as a GL and as Warrior.
This time shouldn't be any different or should it?
The fact that there was little to no reaction, to GUY killing, on a variety of MB's seems to suggest that this is all pretty normal and expected.

On the other hand how would you all feel if Kyle, Hal or John were the next to use Lethal Force? Will this split the Earth GL's later on or do they understand the need if it arises?

Now that GUY'S finally used LF, will he kill more readily if the circumstances allow?

A lot to ponder over.

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

It's not really a big deal. The whole "Will Guy kill? Will he take a life?" thing was done a long time ago, and we got our answer -- yes, he will.

He's killed quite a few times. What makes this any different is that it's just his ring beam directly killing someone.

[Limelantern Better than both the Salami and the Bologna combined Find all posts View Profile Close Limelantern]

What do you thin Duel would have done if he escaped anyway? He would have gone on one of his killing spree's again. And we all know he has killed before, he really really likes doing it too. So the universe really didn't loose one of it's best and brightest with the death of Duel anyway. Guy most likely saved the lives of a lot of people on the nearest few planets. And everyone around knows it. Notice how none of the other GL's sid anything about it? No one said "Holy $#*^ Guy! You just blew that freak away!" His decision was definately the lesser of two evils.

Plus you would have to think that a war with those psychos with power rings just ended a couple weeks ago. He lost a lot of friends and colleagues to Sinestro's ruthlessness and could have very well lost his planet and dimension. Guy knows full well what they are capable of, and what they are willing to do and he will take any measure to stop them.

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I agree, i personally feel what GUY did was correct.
Natu, however, was surprised.

The fact that none of the Earth GL'S have used Lethal Force up until this point must have significance. GUY even stated how upset the other 3 would be during the SCW if he went ahead, which he almost did before Hannu interjected.

Again i'm ok with the new law as i'm sure GUY is, but there are obviously those GL's
which aren't and that's the rub.

[IonFan Forum Member Find all posts View Profile Close IonFan]

The fact that none of the Earth GL'S have used Lethal Force up until this point must have significance.

hate to say this but all of Earths GLs (but and ) have used LF.

did before the Bug took him over and without the ring

we all know he's used it before

used it when the Bug took him over (yes i know "it wasn't him it was the Bug, it was still by his hand)

so the only ones to use it now are and

[Orion Pax Iolande's Bodyguard Find all posts View Profile Close Orion Pax]

I thought he already killed during the SC.

Heck, you have to try pretty hard to not kill during those times.

[Gauntlet101010 Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Gauntlet101010]

I don't think this will cause much discord among the Earth GLs. They're too tight knit.

I can see this causing some discord with Natu and Guy, though. And, maybe it'll make Guy somewhat uneasy ... he'll kill, but he's not a psycho.

Also, I don't think Kyle's kills as Parallax count. I dunno if Alan has killed ... the 40's weren't really bent out of shape with that. Someone with old comics will have to field that one. I don't think he's kill recently, though.

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I dunno if Alan has killed ... the 40's weren't really bent out of shape with that. Someone with old comics will have to field that one. I don't think he's kill recently, though.

Alan's killed plenty. Even in a recent JSA:Classified he burned a hole through a guy.

And look closely at the splash pages in toward the end of the Sinestro Corps War... you see Alan frying dead at least a couple of Sinestro Corpsmen.

[Gauntlet101010 Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Gauntlet101010]

Alan's killed plenty. Even in a recent JSA:Classified he burned a hole through a guy.

And look closely at the splash pages in toward the end of the Sinestro Corps War... you see Alan frying dead at least a couple of Sinestro Corpsmen.

I think I remember that Classifiedes...

Okay, Alan's fine with laying down a spanking if he has to. He comes from the 40's, so he's got none of those comics-code hangups. Good to know.

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Alan's killed plenty. Even in a recent JSA:Classified he burned a hole through a guy.

And look closely at the splash pages in toward the end of the Sinestro Corps War... you see Alan frying dead at least a couple of Sinestro Corpsmen.

oh well then is the only one NOT to have killed anyone (yet)

[Darth_Andrea Owned by Natu Find all posts View Profile Close Darth_Andrea]

Durring his time as Warrior he killed major force, Where Kyle couldn't even though he had killed kyles girlfriend and stuffed her in a refridgeerator.



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Kyle's kills as Parallax don't count. That's a pretty clear-cut case of control, even more overt than Hal's. Hal, as the Specter, also killed, but the Specter had a lot of influece in that particular partnership. It's an old comics tradition that kills or evil deeds under mind control do not c sully the hero.

Now you COULD argue Kyle's renegade construct Oblivion's kills count as Kyle's. Certainly, Kyle's irresponcibility in giving a ring to Megan(?) in the New Corps led to deaths. But neither was direct. Neither really had Kyle holding a smoking gun in his hand, so to speak.

John, along with Hal and a few other GLs (including Kilowog) excecuted Sinestro using their rings. Sinestro wasn't imprisoned in the CPB right away - his spirit found it's way there and he was subsecuently trapped there. So John has killed too.

Edit: If we're arguing Earth GLs, then has Jade killed anyone? She was briefly a GL.

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Kyle will kill given the right circumstance. Two cases in point.

Green Lantern Vol 3 issue #181 Kyle cutting off Major Force's head and baseball batting it into space. It could be argued that he knew it wouldn't kill Major Force (whose been shown to be really damn hard to kill, as a matter of fact that didn't kill him he was back in Superman/Batman not long after, then in Battle for Bludhaven).

Ion issue 12 When he very well might have killed Grayven. Donna saw what Kyle did and asked his he just killed Grayven and Kyle responded with "I don't know and I don't care."

What did both these situations have in common? They messed with Kyle's mom. Granted she's dead now, but it was at the hands of a Sinestro Corps member... give him a chance.

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john has come close to it though many times

[Gauntlet101010 Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Gauntlet101010]

Kyle will kill given the right circumstance. Two cases in point.

Green Lantern Vol 3 issue #181 Kyle cutting off Major Force's head and baseball batting it into space. It could be argued that he knew it wouldn't kill Major Force (whose been shown to be really damn hard to kill, as a matter of fact that didn't kill him he was back in Superman/Batman not long after, then in Battle for Bludhaven).

Ion issue 12 When he very well might have killed Grayven. Donna saw what Kyle did and asked his he just killed Grayven and Kyle responded with "I don't know and I don't care."

What did both these situations have in common? They messed with Kyle's mom. Granted she's dead now, but it was at the hands of a Sinestro Corps member... give him a chance.

Kyle's beheading of Force doesn't count since Force had just explained (and, in coming back, shown) that he doesn't die. Kyle did not expect Force to die by that. Unlike the deaths at Guy's hands Force was still screaming after being beheaded. It does show a ruthlessness on Kyle's part though, as being a lone head in space is a fate worse than death.

The latter might count. Did Greyven die by that? If he didn't then Kyle didn't kill him, but it shows that he was willing to cross that line.

I guess it shows that you really shouldn't mess with Kyle's mommy. Although that isn't very easy to do now.