What if Kyle actually framed Major Force?

[Michael Heide]

Batman and Spiderman have been around decades and decades and existed in every possible medium you could imagine. Every potential story line has happened.

Kyle Rayner had been around for about five minutes before they went straight to gratuitous and graphic violence against an innocent and "non-combatant" character.

I like your suspiciously specific details that are utterly unimportant to the debate. Yes, part of Kyle's origin was the death of a person close to him. I'm sure Spider-Man and Batman didn't have anything like that at all.

Kyle Rayner's "birth" as a character was born out of crass exploitation of violence

And no... it's NOT the same thing as Uncle Ben getting shot because of Peter.

Of course it isn't. Because you say so, mein Führer.

[Dr. Naysay]

And could we please stop with that lame urban legend that an extraordinary amount of women die around him? A lot more people die around Batman. Or Spider-Man. Or Wolverine. And nobody thinks that it's funny to call them serial killers.

Batman and Spiderman have been around decades and decades and existed in every possible medium you could imagine. Every potential story line has happened.

Kyle Rayner had been around for about five minutes before they went straight to gratuitous and graphic violence against an innocent and "non-combatant" character.

Kyle Rayner's "birth" as a character was born out of crass exploitation of violence and the first really important thing that ever happened to him continued that theme.

And no... it's NOT the same thing as Uncle Ben getting shot because of Peter.

[IonFan]

Well it's serial killer kyle or pedophile hal. Take your pick.

i like them both equally

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

Somebody make sure Brad Meltzer doesn't see this thread!!!

[bjread]

Yes Kyle is not a serial killer....the deaths take place too far apart for it to be labeled serial.....Habitual? Maybe. Only time will tell......Natu better watch her back

[Michael Heide]

Well, Kyle is obviously not a serial killer.

[Orion Pax]

Well it's serial killer kyle or pedophile hal. Take your pick.

Our heroes, ladies and gentlemen! Our heroes!

[Lantern A-train]

Well it's serial killer kyle or pedophile hal. Take your pick.

[missferris]

Except that the issue clearly shows Force killing her. Kyle isn't even at home when it happens. He leaves the apartment and ends up in the future. We then cut to Major Force entering the apartment under the pretense that he is delivering flowers. The card says "I'm going to kill you", Force enters, strangles her on panel, quips "I'm hungry", and when Kyle returns, he finds the note "surprise for you in the fridge"...

And could we please stop with that lame urban legend that an extraordinary amount of women die around him? A lot more people die around Batman. Or Spider-Man. Or Wolverine. And nobody thinks that it's funny to call them serial killers.

Kyle fans will never get tired of fridge jokes, though! Just as they will forever think it is funny to think of cliched sitcom scenarios regarding Sinestro being Kyle's father-in-law. Let them have this.

Canon pretty much constantly lampshades the fact and has Kyle angst over it (in the ways Daredevil has), so it's kind of the narrative's fault and a case of writers interacting with fandom perception too much. Character memes and all of that.

[Michael Heide]

Except that the issue clearly shows Force killing her. Kyle isn't even at home when it happens. He leaves the apartment and ends up in the future. We then cut to Major Force entering the apartment under the pretense that he is delivering flowers. The card says "I'm going to kill you", Force enters, strangles her on panel, quips "I'm hungry", and when Kyle returns, he finds the note "surprise for you in the fridge"...

And could we please stop with that lame urban legend that an extraordinary amount of women die around him? A lot more people die around Batman. Or Spider-Man. Or Wolverine. And nobody thinks that it's funny to call them serial killers.

[missferris]

This is now the only canon I accept. I've seen the light from this clever wit.

Edit: What IS the actual kill count for women that have died around Kyle? Is it seriously only 4? One of them didn't even die to further his story or for any purposes having to do with Kyle (Donna) but is usually lumped in the list anyway.

[LanternAlgae]

Do we really know that Major Force killed Alex?

What if Kyle actually killed her, stuffed her in the fridge, and used some form of Oan hypnosis to convince Major Force that he did it.

Think about it... a lot of women die around Kyle.

He could be a serial killer.