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    I'm in shock TPTB actually did something big to Kyle Rayner and claim it will be around for awhile if not the rest of the character's days. I'm not a big fan of the visions from the future with Kyle becoming Space Jesus. I'm even less a fan of what Kyle's White Lantern will be like in terms of how it's much different than the other White Lanterns we've seen. So that this doesn't turn into one big rant I'm going to break things down. I'm hoping to hear [or rather read] other's opinions on the matter, most notably the fans of Rayner who've been here since the 90's supporting everybody's favorite artist. Getting to it...

    1.) The powers - So far any time a Lantern gets a power upgrade it's about as vague as it can be. When Kyle became Ion the first time he had several powers and abilities as well as some drawbacks. The second Ion we were told was originally a mix of the GL and Starheart energies and didn't do much more than the average GL, then it was retconned into the space whale willpower entity and given to Sodam Yat who didn't really do anything new with the powers either. Since the White Lantern concept was introduced there have been several things to note, for instance Sinestro being cut in half only to heal from the injury seconds later. Now it seems like a White Lantern is basically an Indigo Lantern without the need for another Lantern to tap into the different energies of the emotional spectrum. What's the point of having multi-colored constructs instead of just more powerful [and sometimes permanent] white energy constructs? Am I supposed to believe he's going to throw violet Care Bear constructs at one enemy, a blue preacher to instill hope in another, yellow constructs to frighten enemies, etc...? Long story short, what should have been a decent change in powers was scrapped for multi-colored constructs. LAME!

    2.) The status - If Kyle was going to be separated from the GLC in the long run, why was Geoff adamant about Kyle NOT becoming a Blue Lantern? It made me even more pissed when he DID become a Blue Lantern, especially considering how much more sense it made than say... another stint as Ion would have. I'm really baffled now since his future supposedly has him becoming Space Jesus. Did Geoff forget that the Blue Lanterns were the more faith based Lanterns? It would've made as much sense for Kyle to become a Blue full time and become a blue Space Jesus later on. Since the powers seem to change on a whim depending on where the story goes, there's no reason to think Kyle couldn't have done more with the blue energies than the other BL's. Seeing the crap-fest in the making that is this new WL Kyle, I'd have much rather seen him as a Blue Lantern after War of the GL's instead of dragging out the New Guardians concept and having Kyle master all the different rings and energies.

    3.) The title - I'm talking about Kyle being the White Lantern now and still starring in a book called "GREEN Lantern: New Guardians." Makes no sense at all if he's supposedly never becoming a regular GL again. What's the matter DC, does White Lantern sound like it could be seen as racist or something if it were the name of the title? Again, if anything, Blue Lantern had a much better ring to it.

    4.) The future - Kyle becoming the Lantern equivalent of Jesus Christ is too much and probably the last straw in terms of what I'm willing to accept for my favorite GL character. I'd be fine with him growing his hair a little longer [actually liked that Tyler was making it longer in the art of GL:NG], and while I'm fine with stubble once in awhile.... making his hair that much longer and throwing in the Jesus 'stache and goatee is insulting when shown ACTING like Jesus as well. Maybe subconsciously this is Geoff's way to try and draw Ron Marz back to writing Kyle, by making him more like the Silver Surfer at Marvel Marz also wrote sometime before coming to DC to create Kyle. IDK. To change a character so drastically with every big event/storyline only to say this last gimmick will stick and lead to the character becoming God-like in terms of powers AND appearance... its just bullshit. Geoff expanded a lot of the GLU and made a lot of elements better, but sadly he ruined just as much.

    5.) The costume - You knew I was gonna bring his up sooner or later LOL! While I've been saying for years Kyle's most recent GL costume was too plain, the new WL suit isn't much better and bits and pieces of it are more confusing that the character's somewhat iconic crab-mask. I still don't know what to make of the wrist guards, half the time the little pieces on his triceps are missing, the seam lines in the shoulders don't match up most of the time, and as hard as it was to get a classic GL badge off center [sometimes making it a little smaller] it's gotta be even harder for artists to do the WL badge justice off to the side. I understand with the New52 there are more complex costume designs, at least in terms of color breaks and seam lines, but sometimes less is more. A centered WL symbol would've been fine and a lot of other stuff could've still been done in regards to the rest of the costume looking more like a Kyle costume. In this instance I think a Jim Lee redesigned suit would've been an improvement over what we got stuck with.

    Okay, so before this gets any longer, what's your opinions on this stuff? Just all of it in general, or you could break it down like I've done. To say the least I'm not impressed. I don't have any interest in reading a White Lantern with multi-colored constructs instead of any number of the WL powers we've seen prior to this title's new direction. I fully supported Kyle becoming something other than the average GL, but to me this is piss poor execution/direction with a lot of wasted potential. DC has finally turned me off of the one character I've supported non-stop since the 3rd grade. I was okay with Winick's preaching after Marz left. I survived the below average Ben Raab run. It didn't offend me when Hal returned and Kyle was stripped of a solo title and thrown in with the rest of the GLC. It didn't bother me for too long after Kyle became Ion again only to have his story retconned in record time to make way for Geoff's Sinestro Corps War. However, enough is enough. When Kyle is worth reading again I'll support anything he's in. But this White Lantern Rayner in New Guardians isn't doing it for me. If he goes green again I'm sure I'll be inclined to read it, but for now I'm out.

    ~KL~
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    Big fan of it
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    I'm on the fence about it
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    I don't care either way about it
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    He should always be a Green Lantern
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    Can he just get a new costume already?
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  • #2
    Na, I love Kyle as a White Lantern. Was [b]sooooooooooooooo[b] boring with him just being an average green.
    Originally posted by IonFan
    (even if the ear sucking helped get me off faster)
    Originally posted by Big Daddy Caesar
    If I had things like the internet and a laptop as a kid, I never would have left my room as a teenager.
    Originally posted by Quaker
    I am the Geoff Johns of the GLCMB.

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    • #3
      I'm willing to give it a try, but I wouldn't mind him going green again.

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      • #4
        He'd better go green again, since Johns apparently forgot how white rings work. WLs are best used sparingly; Kyle shouldn't be out just healing people, he could be out resurrecting the dead. And that's definitely something that needs to stop in comics.
        The last fan of 1990s comics
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        • #5
          Well, you have to remember that all the Future events we are seeing could very well be divergent timelines and might not come to pass.

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          • #6
            I really hope so. But the man who wrote them is the CCO, and the new creative teams likely feel constrained by that.
            The last fan of 1990s comics
            Read my Green Lantern blog The Indigo Tribe

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            • #7
              Personally, I want Ion back. But rather White Lantern than nothing. it seems like a New 52 Ion to me. Either way, I'm happy.
              Originally posted by IonFan
              (even if the ear sucking helped get me off faster)
              Originally posted by Big Daddy Caesar
              If I had things like the internet and a laptop as a kid, I never would have left my room as a teenager.
              Originally posted by Quaker
              I am the Geoff Johns of the GLCMB.

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              • #8
                They should just Kill him off. If Wally can be so easily overlooked, there's no reason for Kyle to be around.

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                • #9
                  Gasp, blasphemy! BURN HIM ALIVE PEOPLE, BURN HIM!
                  Originally posted by IonFan
                  (even if the ear sucking helped get me off faster)
                  Originally posted by Big Daddy Caesar
                  If I had things like the internet and a laptop as a kid, I never would have left my room as a teenager.
                  Originally posted by Quaker
                  I am the Geoff Johns of the GLCMB.

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                  • #10
                    I'd be more inclined to like it if he didn't become Space Jesus in the future and actually used white energy constructs. I think Geoff writing their futures and basically setting them in stone is his way of ensuring:

                    1.) Baz will still be around

                    2.) We'll have an Earth Female GL [trained by Baz]

                    I mean, he's taken Guy completely out of the Corps, Kyle's now a White Lantern, and Hal will be preoccupied with Carol sooner than later, as will John with becoming a congressman/married man himself. Before all of this crap comes to pass, especially in the New52 5 year timeline, I would have much rather seen Hal back in the cockpit of a plane, Kyle on Earth doing the artist thing, and Guy and John serving more meaningful terms all while in the GREEN Lantern Corps. But instead of refocusing on the four Lanterns we already had, Geoff felt the need to not introduce just one but also a second new Earth GL. The character of the four GL's was scrapped for plot driven stories focused on setting up events and crossovers, and we'll probably get more character moments from Baz and Cruz in a year or two than we've got from all four GL's in the last nine years.

                    ~KL~

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                    • #11
                      Baz was created for the sole purpose of having a GL that that fit what's being done in JLA. Having a team that can be manipulated due to their past. Most people would say hey why not use one of the other 4 lanterns already established for that purpose. Well to do that Johns would be subject to even more backlash than he's already receiving.

                      Geoff did not take Guy completely out of the Corps. That is the new creative teams doing. So you're wrong there.

                      Kyle is now a White Lantern. You said you would like to see him as a Blue Lantern in a solo book. What what would he be able to do? Seeing that the Blue's need a GL to even make constructs, there would probably be complaints that the character is too weak!

                      If Kyle is going to be around might as well make him a White Lantern. I mean they set up a good back story making him master the entire spectrum. Making him a GL, he's no different from every one else. He'll just fade into the background. At least now he's unique.

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                      • #12
                        I missed the part of the issue where it said those futures are set in stone? Sodam Yat is supposed to be the last GL according to future stories and for all we know he doesn't even exist anymor. Why is everyone believing this? Since when has any future story in comics been set in stone? If this is the new norm then there are about 7 different conflicting futures for the X-men that need to come to fruition.
                        I LOVE conspiracy theorists. They are like human versions of the cymbal clapping, dancing monkeys. No one takes them all that seriously and they get bored with them after about 10 minutes.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Kid Lantern View Post
                          I'd be more inclined to like it if he didn't become Space Jesus.
                          Wasn't he pretty much space Jesus as Ion? The only difference was that he was green and had a giant whale living inside him.
                          Originally posted by IonFan
                          (even if the ear sucking helped get me off faster)
                          Originally posted by Big Daddy Caesar
                          If I had things like the internet and a laptop as a kid, I never would have left my room as a teenager.
                          Originally posted by Quaker
                          I am the Geoff Johns of the GLCMB.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lantern A-train View Post
                            I missed the part of the issue where it said those futures are set in stone? Sodam Yat is supposed to be the last GL according to future stories and for all we know he doesn't even exist anymor. Why is everyone believing this? Since when has any future story in comics been set in stone? If this is the new norm then there are about 7 different conflicting futures for the X-men that need to come to fruition.
                            Yeah, we talked about this in the #20 thread, but you're right. It's not set in stone for all time. It is, however, for the near future. As SD said, Johns set these and the new teams are not going to contradict him. The guys who've already been interviewed since then made that clear. That means Johns dictated to them and any others for a while that John and Fatality stay together, that Kyle's a WL etc. Sure, it can and will be changed some day, but for now, the future's set.

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                            • #15
                              I certainly don't see Johns leaving DC Comics anytime soon.
                              The last fan of 1990s comics
                              Read my Green Lantern blog The Indigo Tribe

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