Attempt at New 52 Kyle Timeline

[Ωmega Man Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Ωmega Man]

Talking about Kyle's origin in another thread made me think a thread like this needs to happen so we can kind of trim the fat from Kyle's original run to try and establish some sort of backstory in the New52. With everything beginning again with the five year timeline I'd say Kyle has at least half the experience as Jordan and put him on something around a 2-3 year timeline with John and Guy closer to a solid four years each. I'm going to ignore the ludicrous flashback where it showed nearly every suit Kyle's ever used like the banner up top because Ion 2.0 could never have happened since Infinite Crisis, Alan Scott, and Jade now didn't show up in his history. The same could be said for his time spent with Donna Troy unless they introduce her later on with some reworked history.

That cuts out most of his rookie years TBH, but there are some things that would still need to remain to make a New52 history feel complete. Using the other flashback with Kyle being part of the Corps for a time in a standard suit from earlier issues of NG, anything that would be kept from his rookie years would be after the new guy came in and saved the day after discovering Parallax. Unless he used the Corps standard for a few months before helping bring back the Corps. Here's an attempt at the New52 timeline:

Year One:

* Kyle gets the ring in NYC, trained for an undetermined time by Ganthet.

* Kyle has a handful of adventures that don't include Donna, Jade, Wally, Connor Hawke, or the JL.

* Key arcs like Parallax View, Hero Quest, Final Night wouldn't have happened. Though confrontations with Fatality at least would need to have happened since Kyle and Fatality still had a history in the New52. Characters like Effigy, Nero, and Grayven have yet to be confirmed.

* Kyle Rayner becomes Ion for the first time, which may or may not now play a role in the Rebirth of the Corps and John's status as a GL before the others.

* Some form of Rebirth happens.

* Recharged happens.

To be continued...

~KL~

[Noct Sinestro's Sparring Partner Find all posts View Profile Close Noct]

Hand of God (first Ion) is my favourite storyline not only of Green Lantern but any comic book ever. I respectfully refuse to acknoledge anything that does not acknoledge that. Having said that, so far is alright but I think the mere existence of Kyle Rayner in the new52 is an "anomaly" and he probably remember things that others dont. Not to mention that at first they told us that the GL books wont be rebooted tho obviously that was a lie..

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Ion 2.0 could never have happened since Infinite Crisis, Alan Scott, and Jade now didn't show up in his history.

Doesn't mean Ion 2.0 didn't happen, just somewhat differently than depicted.

The same could be said for his time spent with Donna Troy unless they introduce her later on with some reworked history.

Who's to say he didn't just date someone very similar in the new continuity?

Same with Jade. Who's to say he didn't just date some green-eyed chick named Jennifer in the New52 at the same time in the Old52 he was dating Jade?

That cuts out most of his rookie years TBH, but there are some things that would still need to remain to make a New52 history feel complete. Using the other flashback with Kyle being part of the Corps for a time in a standard suit from earlier issues of NG, anything that would be kept from his rookie years would be after the new guy came in and saved the day after discovering Parallax. Unless he used the Corps standard for a few months before helping bring back the Corps. Here's an attempt at the New52 timeline:

Year One:

* Kyle gets the ring in NYC, trained for an undetermined time by Ganthet.

* Kyle has a handful of adventures that don't include Donna, Jade, Wally, Connor Hawke, or the JL.

* Key arcs like Parallax View, Hero Quest, Final Night wouldn't have happened. Though confrontations with Fatality at least would need to have happened since Kyle and Fatality still had a history in the New52. Characters like Effigy, Nero, and Grayven have yet to be confirmed.

* Kyle Rayner becomes Ion for the first time, which may or may not now play a role in the Rebirth of the Corps and John's status as a GL before the others.

* Some form of Rebirth happens.

* Recharged happens.

To be continued...

~KL~

Most of that seems pretty needless. Aside from villains that can't have existed in the new continuity (in which case you can just assume a different but similar villain took their place).

I know there was the confusing story from Tony Bedard making it seem like they were forgetting about Emerald Twilight... but Emerald Twilight clearly happened.

[Ωmega Man Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Ωmega Man]

Oh I know some form of ET happened, I'm still working on the timeline. I just wanted to start on it earlier while some stuff was fresh on my mind. However with the timeline, unless it's been mentioned beforehand in print since the New52, I'm treating most of his adventures like they never happened. I'm not gonna do the writer's work and insert a Jade analog or a different form of Donna and say this or that still happened. Because until it's in print and said otherwise it hasn't.

Right now I'm debating if Kyle would've still been in some form of Titans for a short time. Sure in the New52 they didn't operate by that name, but in Red Hood and the Outlaws references are made to Grayson, Arsenal, and Starfire running around with other younger heroes. Without Donna it makes it awkward, but since he's no longer been in the League I think he should've had at least an adventure or two still with Arsenal.

The only way I'd see Hand of God and Rebirth fitting into Kyle's timeline is if one almost directly lead into the other. More recent stuff that would make the timeline would be the War of Light, Blackest Night, and War of the GL's, as well as what's went on in NG's since it debuted. I think his Year One should end with Recharged.

I also started thinking about other villains and events that couldn't have occurred now. Major Force hasn't existed yet to my knowledge, and Doc Light couldn't have been set free from a GL pocket dimension through Kyle's battery since he was recreated in the JL title. Emerald Knights would also be a moot point since Hal and the Corps wasn't gone for very long...

~KL~

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

Emerald Knights would also be a moot point since Hal and the Corps wasn't gone for very long...

Not really. Even pre-Flashpoint it was openly said that Kyle had only been a GL for about 3 years at that point. So... no more of a "moot point" than it's been for many years now.

[Hypo Lil' Leaguer Find all posts View Profile Close Hypo]

Donna Troy was recently introduced in Wonder Woman, pretty sure they rebooted her completely.

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

Donna Troy was recently introduced in Wonder Woman, pretty sure they rebooted her completely.

So he never dated Donna Troy in the New52. Instead he dated... Donna Travis.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

So he never dated Donna Troy in the New52. Instead he dated... Donna Travis.

Why bother? If she wasn't a superhero, the relationship would be totally different, anyway, so why jump through hoops to "maintain" it?

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Why bother? If she wasn't a superhero, the relationship would be totally different, anyway, so why jump through hoops to "maintain" it?

Because fuck their reboot. That's why.

And she was barely even a Darkstar while they were dating.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Because fuck their reboot. That's why.

If that's the attitude, though, why not just say he dated Donna Troy, and never mind the contradictions brought on by the reboot? I'm not quite seeing how pretending he dated some person with a similar name preserves anything worth preserving.

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Not really. Even pre-Flashpoint it was openly said that Kyle had only been a GL for about 3 years at that point. So... no more of a "moot point" than it's been for many years now.

So not even a year into his career, during the few months or so the Corps was gone and Hal roamed space as Parallax... Kyle went back in time two years after a meeting with some form of the Legion of Super Heroes and met an only slightly younger Hal? I don't see trying to make sense of that now would be a priority in a new timeline. New Corps couldnt't have happened afterwards the way it did either as Jade wasn't around to operate on Earth as a lantern while Kyle was off meeting Garl, Hameroon, and Sool. You could work New Corps in after Hand of God and make that the moment John takes another ring just before Rebirth. But again, if Final Night never occurred then Hal would never have died or become the Spectre.

Final Night may have to work into the timeline if ever Hal's death is referenced in the new52.

~KL~

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So not even a year into his career, during the few months or so the Corps was gone and Hal roamed space as Parallax... Kyle went back in time two years after a meeting with some form of the Legion of Super Heroes and met an only slightly younger Hal?

Yup. Not even a year, sorry. And even then it'd seem weird. I hate to keep pointing this out... but you guys do realize that monthly comics only cover like an hour of a guy's life? And they're often continued? A year's worth of any comic is like a couple weeks of a character's life, barring some time lapse. Nowadays more than ever.

Final Night may have to work into the timeline if ever Hal's death is referenced in the new52.

Of course Final Night happened. Otherwise Black Lantern Hal wouldn't have happened... and that was a key ingredient of Blackest Night. And we know Blackest Night did happen.

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It happened but now it's just as convoluted as any story where they have to edit a dozen characters out of the story. I think Kyle's first year was up in the comics right around the time he joined the League sometime in the issues in the 80's to 90's but I can't recall which. Issue #100 started out saying "One Year Ago..." when talking about Kyle getting the ring. But what I was getting at is going back in time to meet an only slightly younger Hal when Parallax is no longer Hal in his mid to late 30's seems pointless.

The only deaths that they've made mention of to my knowledge in the New52 are Superman's and Batman's. The Flash's Rebirth has been swept under the rug it seems, as well as Aquaman's time with a hook hand and the immortal spirit of Hawkman.

Nothing is for sure in the New52 unless it's been in print. I don't like it either, but most of Kyle's adventures couldn't have happened with the New52 Kyle.

^^^And Noct mentioned he could exist as some type of anomaly, but they already did that with Donna and it was executed pretty poorly in that instance too.

The only way even a fraction of Kyle's earlier pre New52 adventures still happened in continuity is if Convergence sees more of the pre-relaunch elements put back into the universe. Which at this point I'm not sure it'd make more sense or just continue the confusion...

~KL~