Green Lantern #0 *Preview/Spoilers*

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I don't know why that would cause the error, but it may very well have.

It's in GL Annual #1; that's when the rings started reporting errors. They continued to do so after merging.

They have to have the ability to overcome great fear, not to be totally heroic from the get-go.

Indeed. In fact, heroism isn't even necessary; just the ability to overcome great fear. (It was Mogo's job to guide the rings, and I'd assume he'd pick non-douchebags.) Along the same lines, evil is not necessary to be chosen by a Sinestro Corps ring; remember that one picked Batman?

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Jack T. Chance isn't one of my favorites, and was very clearly a case of the best option on a planet of even worse options.

Totally heroic isn't a requirement, no, but not actively a criminal would be nice. Guess that's why they used to have the "honest" requirement. Got to have SOME way of ensuring that the ring doesn't go to a fearless supervillain, right? (Not that Simon Baz is a supervillain, of course, but the principle is the same.) To my mind, a GOOD candidate should be somebody that TRIES to do the right thing, and if they fail, doesn't exhibit low willpower by giving up and doing the wrong thing instead.

Well, that depends on your definition of "the right thing" within the context of the story Baz is trying to support his family. That's the right thing to do for him. And he hasn't given up on that. He's still trying to support them, even if he doesn't feel he can do so legitimately. So I'm not convinced beinf a criminal is the same as not having high willpower.

Plus, being a supervillain isn't the same as being a car thief to support your family. We haven't seen Baz kill anyone and, when he sees the bomb in the van he doesn't just take off, but he take sit to his old, abandoned place of employment. Plus, he isn't doing it out of greed, but because he feels it's necessary. Exactly how necessary it is is probably going to be a part of his overall story, but it's totally different than being a supervillain. Plus, we have five GLs who became villains (not including the Alphas), so that's not really a great analogy (all but one from GLC Quarterly).

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It's in GL Annual #1; that's when the rings started reporting errors. They continued to do so after merging.

I remember that happening after the rings started to merge. Could easily be because of Sinestro and Hal's conflicting ideas for a replacement or because of Indigo's tampering or any number of things. .

But it could also have been damaged because of the black energy. Personally, i don't think that's it, but we can't be sure until some issue comes out and tells us. I'll check out the annual after I get home, maybe I missed something really obvious that makes it definitely the black energy that's broken the ring.

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Nope, the error started immediately after Black Hand blasted 'em. (It mistakenly thought they were dying, remember?) My guess was that it was due to the Guardians' supercharging of Black Hand, as that blast was well beyond his usual capabilities (and looked quite different than the usual death-energy).

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Nope, the error started immediately after Black Hand blasted 'em. (It mistakenly thought they were dying, remember?) My guess was that it was due to the Guardians' supercharging of Black Hand, as that blast was well beyond his usual capabilities (and looked quite different than the usual death-energy).

Right, right, I remember that now. I guess you're right. BH broke the rings.

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Plus, being a supervillain isn't the same as being a car thief to support your family.

I'm having a hard time picturing stealing cars being the ONLY POSSIBLE way to support your family in this country.

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Well after enough racist and/or bigoted people tell you no or don't give you the time of day it may make you feel that way whether it is the case or not. I'm not justifying being a thief but for him he may have felt that that was his only option.

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I'm having a hard time picturing stealing cars being the ONLY POSSIBLE way to support your family in this country.

Not saying he's right, but I am saying your analogy is flawed. Being a petty criminal is not the same as being a supervillain. At all.

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Not saying he's right, but I am saying your analogy is flawed. Being a petty criminal is not the same as being a supervillain. At all.

At all? I'd say there is SOME level of similarity, both being criminals. In some cases, the ONLY difference is a matter of power. Or do you dispute that there are plenty of "supervillains" that would qualify as petty thieves if they didn't have the special powers or abilities to back them up?

Not every supervillain is aiming for world domination. Some just seem to steal things.

My point, though, wasn't that Simon Baz is a supervillain. It was that someone who is able to convince themself that stealing cars is their only option to support their family in this country is NOT someone who I want making decisions using a power ring, and not someone I'm seeing as a plausible candidate for said ring.

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Tell that to the JUDGE!

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At all? I'd say there is SOME level of similarity, both being criminals. In some cases, the ONLY difference is a matter of power. Or do you dispute that there are plenty of "supervillains" that would qualify as petty thieves if they didn't have the special powers or abilities to back them up?

Not every supervillain is aiming for world domination. Some just seem to steal things.

By that token you could say a teenager stealing a candy bar is like a supervillain. Or someone who downloads mp3s or movies. Or someone who just never returned that movie back to the rental store?

Hell, by that logic, who among us has never been a super villain at one time or another?

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Well after enough racist and/or bigoted people tell you no or don't give you the time of day it may make you feel that way whether it is the case or not. I'm not justifying being a thief but for him he may have felt that that was his only option.

And THAT is the exact thing I was dreading, that Geoff was going to try to paint it that his raw deal from society somehow MADE him become a car thief, and that it wasn't really his fault that he made such a choice. Because not everybody in that kind of position makes that choice, and frankly, IMHO, the ones that are in that position yet STILL have the determination to make the choice NOT to go that route are the ones that seem like better choices to wield a ring fueled by will, in the cause of justice.

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Geoff never portrayed that as a justified viewpoint in the story. That is a viewpoint Baz has, and you see how he comes to that conclusion, but we haven't seen it actually justified.

I expect the next issue will have his family horrified and disappointed in him.

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By that token you could say a teenager stealing a candy bar is like a supervillain. Or someone who downloads mp3s or movies. Or someone who just never returned that movie back to the rental store?

Hell, by that logic, who among us has never been a super villain at one time or another?

Except you keep ignoring the fact that I'm not EQUATING them, just saying that they have something in common.

To the best of my knowledge, I haven't stolen anything. Perhaps that little quirk of mine is skewing my perception.

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Except you keep ignoring the fact that I'm not EQUATING them, just saying that they have something in common.

To the best of my knowledge, I haven't stolen anything. Perhaps that little quirk of mine is skewing my perception.

They have that one fact in common. That's it. They are not alike in any other sense. And you're only factoring into supervillains that steal things. It doesn't even relate to every supervillain out there. So, no.