Larfleeze cancelled

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

But...(to stay on topic)...

I think we can ALL agree that Larfleeze getting cancelled is a good thing for GL fans. Good riddance.

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Johns gets WAY more hate than he deserves. He did more damage than good? Idk about all that.

And you guys just have to accept the fact that the emotional spectrum will always be around. There is no way DC is ever going to get rid of them. And honestly, outside of these boards I hardly ever hear people complain about them. Same goes with Geoff's writing on GL. I mean I'll agree that towards the end of his run the stories weren't as great but it certainly wasn't as bad as some of you make them out to be.

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I said that two years ago on the DC and CBR boards, and got trolled insanely. Just like I got trolled when I said that Hal and the Corps should come back, and when i said it was time for Geoff to move on.

You would think that people who have been so wrong about this so many times would learn some humility and shut the fuck up and listen to someone who's been right about it so many times. But noooooooo!

The problem here is that you can't make cheerleaders believe that their team is screwing up. And that's who you're talking to on most message boards. You're not talking to the thousands of people who are dropping the Red Lanterns every month and are not bothering to go to a message board and talk about it.

"Wrong/Right" are always subjective when it comes to the types of entertainment people enjoy. There are always going to be voices of dissent, even for the most loved/hated movies/books/music.

As for Johns moving on, the jury is still out. However, the sales have suffered and from what I've read so far (admittedly, I'm behind due to my style of reading) the post-Johns Lanternverse is a mixed bag.

But...(to stay on topic)...

I think we can ALL agree that Larfleeze getting cancelled is a good thing for GL fans. Good riddance.

I'll agree in part. If DC wants to give a newly-popular character a spotlight, I don't see why they don't give that character a 4-6 issue mini-series. Larf would have been fine with that kind of arc, but it's obvious that too few people wanted to read "The NeverEnding Greed Story".

Johns gets WAY more hate than he deserves. He did more damage than good? Idk about all that.

And you guys just have to accept the fact that the emotional spectrum will always be around. There is no way DC is ever going to get rid of them. And honestly, outside of these boards I hardly ever hear people complain about them. Same goes with Geoff's writing on GL. I mean I'll agree that towards the end of his run the stories weren't as great but it certainly wasn't as bad as some of you make them out to be.

I don't know about "always", but it still has countless possibilities not yet explored.

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Johns gets WAY more hate than he deserves. He did more damage than good? Idk about all that.

And you guys just have to accept the fact that the emotional spectrum will always be around. There is no way DC is ever going to get rid of them. And honestly, outside of these boards I hardly ever hear people complain about them. Same goes with Geoff's writing on GL. I mean I'll agree that towards the end of his run the stories weren't as great but it certainly wasn't as bad as some of you make them out to be.

See, this is what I object to. People proclaiming with complete confidence that you "hate Geoff Johns" because you think that he went south after the Sinestro Corps War. That judgmental mind-reading is just ridiculous, and it's what causes ill will and flame wars.

Did he do more damage than good? So far, no. But if this all ends up with just Green Lantern and the GLC still afloat, and with a GL movie to his credit that was so bad that another one won't get made, then he's not going to leave the enormous legacy that people were once so confident that he would.

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But if this all ends up with just Green Lantern and the GLC still afloat, and with a GL movie to his credit that was so bad that another one won't get made, then he's not going to leave the enormous legacy that people were once so confident that he would.

This scenario seems to me to be inevitable.

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See, this is what I object to. People proclaiming with complete confidence that you "hate Geoff Johns" because you think that he went south after the Sinestro Corps War. That judgmental mind-reading is just ridiculous, and it's what causes ill will and flame wars.

Did he do more damage than good? So far, no. But if this all ends up with just Green Lantern and the GLC still afloat, and with a GL movie to his credit that was so bad that another one won't get made, then he's not going to leave the enormous legacy that people were once so confident that he would.

Johns involvement with the GL movie was minimum at best. WB only gave him as much as they wanted him to.

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The movie was based on his heavy retconning of GL history, with some added rewrites thrown in.

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The movie was based on his heavy retconning of GL history, with some added rewrites thrown in.

That's true. The writer even said somewhere he wasn't a GL fan so he started reading from vol. 4. I think, like Venditti, he said he picked up so non-Geoff material later, but it centered around his interpretation of the GLCU.

Johns did, however, back off for the details. There's a clip of him touring the studio during production and the design of Parallax (and some other elements) were a complete surprise to him even as the ready-to-go versions.

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The movie was very heavily based on Geoff's rewriting of the GL mythos. The writers showed essentially no familiarity with what earlier writers had done.

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good god how did we go from being happy that Larfleeze is getting canceled to hating on GJ to now talking about how they f@cked up the GL movie?

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The movie was very heavily based on Geoff's rewriting of the GL mythos. The writers showed essentially no familiarity with what earlier writers had done.

It really, really wasn't. The last thing that Geoff would ever do is have Hal quit the GLC out of fear and crawl back to Earth with his tail tucked between his glowing legs. The GL movie didn't meet expectations because Warner Bumbles tried to pander to the GA sheeple instead of trusting the comic book mythos.

good god how did we go from being happy that Larfleeze is getting canceled to hating on GJ to now talking about how they f@cked up the GL movie?

Personally, I never miss a chance to flame Warner Bumbles for their awful track record with DC Comics' properties.

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It really, really wasn't. The last thing that Geoff would ever do is have Hal quit the GLC out of fear and crawl back to Earth with his tail tucked between his glowing legs. The GL movie didn't meet expectations because Warner Bumbles tried to pander to the GA sheeple instead of trusting the comic book mythos.




Personally, I never miss a chance to flame Warner Bumbles for their awful track record with DC Comics' properties.

Sir... this was not the John Broome GL, or the Marv Wolfman GL, or the Len Wein GL, or Denny O'Neil GL, or the Steve Englehart GL, or the Gerard Jones GL. No, this was the Geoff Johns GL, and nothing but

Now you can say with your total confidence there that Geoff wouldn't have made Hal do this or that, but Geoff is also known to have to defined greatness -- bizarrely, I think -- as the overcoming of fear. So it's not such a stretch to think Geoff would like that idea.

In any case though, if Geoff had never written GL, this movie would have been nothing at all like the way it was. The writers obviously knew nothing about GL except what had gotten filtered through the movie's co-producer, Geoff Johns.

So stop covering for him here. This was his baby and every paternity test confirms it.

Success always has a thousand fathers, and failure is always an orphan.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

IonFan, I'm not happy that a GL title was canceled. Especially when so few people recognize that the whole problem is the emotional spectrum.

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well i for one disagree, i liked the emotional spectrum (all the new characters, all the fights, all the wars), i liked what GJ did to bring new life into GL (after all when he left i left), i liked the GL movie (not for what it was just that it wasn't as bad as it could of been), and i like the fact that the Larfleeze comic is gone (we all know a joke only goes so far)

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well i for one disagree, i liked the emotional spectrum (all the new characters, all the fights, all the wars)

All the new characters, all the fights, and all the wars were extremely redundant, in my opinion. Johns really dumbed down the whole Green Lantern universe by essentially making it all about people with rings who fight eachother with colored shapes and lasers.

This is completely anecdotal, I understand, but I was talking about cartoons with a kid who was probably about 9, and I asked him if he liked Green Lantern. He told me he did not and I asked him why. His words --which I don't think I'll ever forget-- were, "It's just a bunch of rings." When I thought about it, I was like, "yeah, that's all it is about. A bunch of different colored rings."