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[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

The Red Lanterns book is the best book in the line IMO right now. I hope it doesn't get cancelled anytime soon.

The regular title is definitely the worse. Venditti should get the boot. I blame his crappy run on the falling sales. It's affecting all of the books, including the best, RL and GLC.

No, Larfleeze is the worst title.

WUT? The first two issues were so bad, I actually sold them, which I never do!

I'm talking about the current run (21 and up). It's improved a lot. The inclusion of Guy Gardner in the corps has real done a lot, and Soule has actually managed to make The Red Lanterns interesting characters.

Yeah, it's a very different book than it was at #1, imo.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

I think that for sic-fi or a comic to be successful, you have to have PEOPLE in it. Or at least something that's pretty close to human, like Vulcans. Can you have some funny-looking aliens? Sure. But not too many, and they can't be the main focus.

I said this a long time ago on the old DCU boards re the emotional spectrum, and most people howled angrily that obviously I just hated Geoff Johns for saying such a thing.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Interesting point.
So you'd say RL was bound to fail without Guy or similar human(like) character?
Supposedly, that's why Roddenberry wanted even the aliens to be mostly humanoid on Star Trek.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Interesting point.
So you'd say RL was bound to fail without Guy or similar human(like) character?
Supposedly, that's why Roddenberry wanted even the aliens to be mostly humanoid on Star Trek.

Here I thought that was mostly down to budget. I mean, certainly, once Roddenberry had the budget and capability, he lost no time in making the Klingons look LESS like regular humans.

Although, obviously, they were a.) still VERY humanoid, and b.) the bad guys, so it was a feature, not a bug, if people found them difficult to identify with as a result.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

I think you can veer further from the humanoid norm in terms of looks if you are going the humorous route, especially if you are doing it animated.

But one thing's for SURE. The main characters really HAVE to think and act like a human for the most part, no matter what they look like. Any character that THINKS in a truly alien fashion is great for something your main characters encounter on the odd planet they are visiting, but won't work well as a main character, IMHO.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

I thought that putting Guy into the Red Lanterns was a terrible idea. You can't have one human in a title and think that'll somehow make it work.

Aliens who look and act weird just can't be the backbone of anything. Same with robots. On Star Trek TNG, Data works as a supporting character, but he couldn't be any more than that.

As much as people liked Mr. Spock, even he worked only as the second banana. He'd have never worked as the star.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Data was a main character, really. Heck, there were SEVERAL episodes where he was THE main character of the episode. But he not only looked human (aside from skin color), any differences in the way he acted or thought were kind of mitigated by the fact that he WANTED to be as human as possible, and often would seem to act more human than seemed likely given the fact that he was SUPPOSED to be very different.

Data was no more alien than Spock, really, and Spock and Data both were wildly popular with audiences. (And both looked almost human, and despite protestations of alienness, actually acted well within the plausible range of human thinking, with only some surface quirks, in most cases.)

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

Data was a main character, really. Heck, there were SEVERAL episodes where he was THE main character of the episode. But he not only looked human (aside from skin color), any differences in the way he acted or thought were kind of mitigated by the fact that he WANTED to be as human as possible, and often would seem to act more human than seemed likely given the fact that he was SUPPOSED to be very different.

Data was no more alien than Spock, really, and Spock and Data both were wildly popular with audiences. (And both looked almost human, and despite protestations of alienness, actually acted well within the plausible range of human thinking, with only some surface quirks, in most cases.)

Data was nowhere near being the star. He wasn't as high on the totem pole as Spock, either. Yeah, her was featured a few times. But it wasn't Star Trek: The Next Generation, starring Data. That would not have worked.

People have to be the stars.

I'm writing a comic with Kyle, Jack T. Chance, Harvid and Ramey Holl. All of them will be featured from time to time, but without Kyle as the star it won't work. And the other three are not nearly so far from human as the Red Lanterns are.

This is not hard to grasp.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Here I thought that was mostly down to budget. . .

I almost wrote "and budget," but didn't want to side track it. At any rate, I remember some interview where he said he didn't want any main characters to be so alien as to be unrelatable. E.g., he could have a carpet-looking rock-eating monster as the villain or plot point but he wouldn't have one on the bridge.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Spy, I think you are deluding yourself if you think Data was "nowhere near" being the star of Next Generation, even if I would agree that he couldn't carry the show on his own. I've seen polls of people's favorite Star Trek characters, across ALL shows, and while Spock is the runaway winner, Data polls as high as Kirk, and is WAAAAY ahead of anybody on Next Gen except Picard. He was featured not "a few times" but often, probably BECAUSE the shows makers weren't stupid, and were aware that he was the second most popular character on the show.

Of course, your point isn't really about popularity, and I think I indicated that I agreed with you, so I'll try not to get drawn into an argument on a subject we agree on, simply because you choose to find supporting evidence for that viewpoint in what seem like unlikely places to me.

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No, Larfleeze is the worst title.

Yeah, it's a very different book than it was at #1, imo.

I found Larfleeze to be "eh" at best.

Yup. I think it's a lot better now than it was at the beginning.

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I thought that putting Guy into the Red Lanterns was a terrible idea. You can't have one human in a title and think that'll somehow make it work.

Aliens who look and act weird just can't be the backbone of anything. Same with robots. On Star Trek TNG, Data works as a supporting character, but he couldn't be any more than that.

As much as people liked Mr. Spock, even he worked only as the second banana. He'd have never worked as the star.

You're wrong. Data's Day was THE best Star Trek episode of all series.
A similarly great Enterprise episode was Dear Doctor, which had the same premise.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

You're wrong. Data's Day was THE best Star Trek episode of all series.
A similarly great Enterprise episode was Dear Doctor, which had the same premise.

The best episode of any series can feature any regular. BUT DATA WAS NOT THE STAR OF THE SHOW. He was not the leading man or the leading lady. He was a supporting player. Again, this is not complicated.

[weareborg Guy's Drinking Buddy Find all posts View Profile Close weareborg]

LOL-HEAVEN THIS IS EXCELLENT!!!

Hahahaha!

I'm really eating away at you, huh? From across cyberspace, no less. Entire websites away! : p
I bet you'll just keep reading all the crap I spew, for whatever reason. I guess that's... flattering, in a way.

Actually I don't. You usually write some overbearing essay that I skip over. I see your posts on CBR and I just skip it and read the comments about your posts.

I did read a couple of your early reviews, but then I realized you were blinded by your Hal hate so I quit wasting time, I could never get back. However, I wish you well, go watch all five episodes of John pretending to be Hal in the JLU and don't worry be happy.

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Actually I don't. You usually write some overbearing essay that I skip over. I see your posts on CBR and I just skip it and read the comments about your posts.

I did read a couple of your early reviews, but then I realized you were blinded by your Hal hate so I quit wasting time, I could never get back. However, I wish you well, go watch all five episodes of John pretending to be Hal in the JLU and don't worry be happy.

Ahhh so he is Desh from CBR!!

I love reading the responses to his post on there too