Green Lantern Sales Numbers

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19 Doom Patrol 1* $3.99 DC 76,225
79 Doom Patrol 2* $3.99 DC 37,856
96 Doom Patrol 3* $3.99 DC 30,140
105 Doom Patrol 4* $3.99 DC 26,261

Just putting this here for myself to remember to keep track of.

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and not accounting for taste because I know it is the tentpole title but how is Justice League still in the mid 80's? It's still on my pull list (so I am partially to blame) but it has been an absolute dud. It stays on the pull list out of force of habit and nothing else. Funny thing about Flash is I have heard some good reviews but not overwhelming ones to indicate why it is doing so well. Maybe it is LCBS owners inside scoop (or reader anticipation) that something essential or primal is going to happen there with the whole Watchmen thing.

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As for GL's if you aren't into the Green Lantern mythos and are just a dude coming in to the comic book shop, I guess Green Lanterns is an easier sell. So shop owners keep it on hand. I am a long time Legion lover so I love the history and backstory however I always here that, that very thing is prohibitive to new readers getting engaged into the title. Which is why in the reboots, they simplify, dumb it down and tell the origin for the 20th time. Boring long time readers to tears all in the hopes of hooking new readers that aren't invested in the title and very unlikely to stay. I guess that is the eternal conundrum. How to draw in new readers while not losing your long time fans on long established properties. The easier fix is just create new properties so all the fans are new.

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As for GL's if you aren't into the Green Lantern mythos and are just a dude coming in to the comic book shop, I guess Green Lanterns is an easier sell. . .

That's what I was trying to say last month. I think Green Lanterns sounds more flagship than Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps. I seem to remember a time where I read only one Bat title and I decided on Batman because I just assumed that was the main title.

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That's what I was trying to say last month. I think Green Lanterns sounds more flagship than Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps. I seem to remember a time where I read only one Bat title and I decided on Batman because I just assumed that was the main title.

yeah which you would think that the marketing wizards at DC would understand. While it doesn't make sense back in the 90's X-Men: Featuring Alpha Flight, would have sold better than just Alpha Flight. Superboy and the Legion remained Superboy and the Legion for dozens of issues when Superboy wasn't even in it for sales issues. Maybe HJ&tGLC would have been better served being Green Lantern Corps: featuring HJ. That being said it is not like it is a big difference in #'s. It might be more a function of store owners know what a Hal/Corps book will sell but they are being optimistic of the unknown of what a Jessica/Baz book will do. Time will tell should wait until both books are 12 issues in.

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Yeah, I'm wondering whether the swapping of sales between their second October issues indicates a change in the pattern of the retailers.

Only time will tell.

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I enjoy JL waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than I do Green Lanterns.

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Justice League is fucking horrible dude! Bryan Hitch needs to go!!!

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WTF happened to Bryan Hitch?!? He used to be Ivan Reis level, and now his pages look terrible. I can't believe he's the guy who did Ultimates and Ultimates 2.

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November Comic Sales

[Items marked with asterisks had their reported orders slightly reduced due to returnability.]

1 Batman 10 $2.99 DC 120,901
2 Batman 11 $2.99 DC 116,690
3 Civil War II 7 $4.99 Marvel 116,447
4 All Star Batman 4 $4.99 DC 99,064
5 Invincible Iron Man 1 $3.99 Marvel 97,713
6 Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows 1 $4.99 Marvel 96,111
7 Batman Annual 1 $4.99 DC 91,033
8 Venom 1 $3.99 Marvel 90,138
9 Walking Dead 160 $2.99 Image 88,367
10 IVX 0 $4.99 Marvel 84,181
11 Avengers 1 $4.99 Marvel 81,885
12 Justice League 8 $2.99 DC 80,696
13 Justice League 9 $2.99 DC 77,905
14 Batman TMNT Adventures 1* $3.99 IDW 75,974
15 Star Wars 25 $4.99 Marvel 75,234
16 Detective Comics 944 $2.99 DC 71,923
17 Flash 10 $2.99 DC 70,681
18 Unworthy Thor 1 $3.99 Marvel 70,424
19 Detective Comics 945 $2.99 DC 69,942
20 Flash 11 $2.99 DC 68,304
21 Superman 10 $2.99 DC 66,956
22 Superman 11 $2.99 DC 63,686
23 Amazing Spider-Man 21 $3.99 Marvel 63,052
24 Suicide Squad 6 $2.99 DC 61,973
25 Wonder Woman 10 $2.99 DC 60,815
26 Star Wars Annual 2 $4.99 Marvel 59,490
27 Suicide Squad 7 $2.99 DC 59,452
28 Clone Conspiracy 2 $3.99 Marvel 58,921
29 Star Wars Han Solo 5 $3.99 Marvel 58,762
30 Wonder Woman 11 $2.99 DC 58,692
31 Trinity 3 $2.99 DC 58,253
32 Ghost Rider 1 $4.99 Marvel 57,843
33 Black Panther World of Wakanda 1 $4.99 Marvel 57,073
34 Harley Quinn 7 $2.99 DC 56,878
35 Nightwing 8 $2.99 DC 56,091
36 Thanos 1 $3.99 Marvel 54,768
37 Harley Quinn 8 $2.99 DC 54,111
38 Death of X 3 $3.99 Marvel 53,583
39 Nightwing 9 $2.99 DC 52,984
40 Teen Titans 2 $2.99 DC 52,877
41 Titans 5 $2.99 DC 52,511
42 Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1 $4.99 Marvel 52,184
43 Spider-Man Deadpool 11 $3.99 Marvel 51,278
44 Action Comics 967 $2.99 DC 50,611
45 Death of X 4 $3.99 Marvel 50,329
46 Superman Annual 1 $4.99 DC 49,748
47 Champions 2 $3.99 Marvel 49,733
48 Action Comics 968 $2.99 DC 48,931
49 Captain America Steve Rogers 7 $3.99 Marvel 48,505
50 Green Lanterns 10 $2.99 DC 46,306
51 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 8 $2.99 DC 45,194
52 Saga 40 $2.99 Image 44,944
53 Green Lanterns 11 $2.99 DC 44,703
54 Old Man Logan 13 $3.99 Marvel 43,609
55 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 9 $2.99 DC 43,485
56 Black Panther 8 $3.99 Marvel 43,451
57 Green Arrow 10 $2.99 DC 43,355
58 Star Wars Poe Dameron 8 $3.99 Marvel 43,034
59 Old Man Logan 14 $3.99 Marvel 42,574
60 Green Arrow 11 $2.99 DC 41,576
61 Reborn 2 $3.99 Image 41,484
62 Batman Beyond 2 $2.99 DC 41,313
63 Avengers 1.1 $3.99 Marvel 41,258
64 Mother Panic 1* $3.99 DC 40,990
65 Infamous Iron Man 2 $3.99 Marvel 40,225
66 Aquaman 10 $2.99 DC 39,816
67 Justice League of America 10 $3.99 DC 39,766
68 Spider-Man 9 $3.99 Marvel 39,701
69 Deadpool Back In Black 3 $3.99 Marvel 39,509
70 Doctor Strange 14 $3.99 Marvel 39,390
71 Mighty Thor 13 $3.99 Marvel 39,274
72 Deadpool 22 $3.99 Marvel 38,630
73 Occupy Avengers 1 $3.99 Marvel 38,400
74 Aquaman 11 $2.99 DC 38,109
75 Supergirl 3 $2.99 DC 37,316
76 Deathstroke 6 $2.99 DC 37,177
77 Uncanny X-Men 15 $3.99 Marvel 36,946
78 Jessica Jones 2 $3.99 Marvel 36,893
79 Red Hood and the Outlaws 4 $2.99 DC 36,740
80 Deathstroke 7 $2.99 DC 35,782
81 All New Wolverine 14 $3.99 Marvel 35,437
82 Uncanny X-Men Annual 1 $4.99 Marvel 35,354
83 Batgirl 5 $2.99 DC 35,210
84 Ultimates 2 1 $3.99 Marvel 34,646
85 Extraordinary X-Men 16 $3.99 Marvel 34,630
86 Daredevil 13 $3.99 Marvel 33,910
87 Deadpool Back in Black 4 $3.99 Marvel 33,457
88 Star Wars Force Awakens Adaptation 6 $3.99 Marvel 33,455
89 Harbinger Renegade 1* $3.99 Valiant 33,197
90 Batgirl and the Birds of Prey 4 $2.99 DC 33,138
91 Uncanny Avengers 16 $3.99 Marvel 32,854
92 Moon Knight 8 $3.99 Marvel 32,562
93 Mosaic 2 $3.99 Marvel 31,767
94 All New X-Men 15 $3.99 Marvel 31,668
95 Ad After Death Book 1
$5.99 Image 30,626
96 Doom Patrol 3* $3.99 DC 30,140
97 Superwoman 4 $2.99 DC 30,070
98 All New X-Men Annual 1 $4.99 Marvel 29,634
99 Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme 2 $3.99 Marvel 29,349
100 Great Lakes Avengers 2 $3.99 Marvel 29,273
. . .
174 New Talent Showcase 1 $7.99 DC 12,451
176 Injustice Gods Among Us Year Five Annual 1 $4.99 DC 12,227

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The decent seems to be slowing down, it doesn't seem to just be happening with the Green Lantern books but some books seem to be immune to the effect. Rebirth seems to have put Flash on another level, whereas it is unclear if Rebirthing only gave the Lantern books a temporary spike and they are heading back to the previous level.

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10 HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS REBIRTH #1[*] 113,965
11 HAL JORDAN AND THE GREEN LANTERN CORPS #1[*] 108,708
28 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 2* $2.99 DC 77,972
42 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 3* $2.99 DC 64,737
41 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 4* $2.99 DC 54,815
46 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 5* $2.99 DC 50,935
49 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 6 $2.99 DC 49,988
53 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 7 $2.99 DC 48,064
51 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 8 $2.99 DC 45,194
55 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 9 $2.99 DC 43,485

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12 Green Lanterns Rebirth 1* $2.99 DC 99,504
18 Green Lanterns 1* $2.99 DC 84,910
28 GREEN LANTERNS #2[*] 82,062
29 GREEN LANTERNS #3[*] 78,708
37 Green Lanterns 4* $2.99 DC 71,140
44 Green Lanterns 5* $2.99 DC 64,252
36 Green Lanterns 6 $2.99 DC 58,346
38 Green Lanterns 7 $2.99 DC 55,367
47 Green Lanterns 8 $2.99 DC 52,025
50 Green Lanterns 9 $2.99 DC 49,434
50 Green Lanterns 10 $2.99 DC 46,306
53 Green Lanterns 11 $2.99 DC 44,703
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Still a decent of 2-3k copies ordered per issue. A very steady decline for two high profile books like these. They are both going to be in the 30k range in 1-2 months. Not good. Their peer title, The Flash, is still over 68k, which will likely be selling double in a few months.

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19 Doom Patrol 1* $3.99 DC 76,225
79 Doom Patrol 2* $3.99 DC 37,856
96 Doom Patrol 3* $3.99 DC 30,140

Doom Patrol will be out of the top 100 by next month.

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The Green Lantern titles have actually been holding their sales together better than I thought they would. I figured they would have been in the 30,000s by now. Still, when compared to other DC titles like Wonder Woman, Superman, and The Flash, it's pretty clear that something isn't quite right with the GL books.

Some things I would do (not that DC cares)...

Stop all emotional spectrum driven stories, and stop focusing on Emotional Spectrum characters. By now, it should be pretty clear that concept, in and of itself, isn't a particular draw. I attribute the success of those initial Emotional Spectrum stories to Geoff Johns, and not so much that particular concept, because it doesn't seem to excite a lot of readers when Johns isn't there to write about it.

I never would have printed Green Lanterns, and I don't see much worth in the Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz characters. Furthermore, I don't think the book has much to offer in terms of quality or originality. I would get rid of that entire book as well as those characters. Green Lantern does not need more protagonists. It needs less. It needs to focus on the characters that were already there, and actually do something interesting with them as characters instead of just putting them through emotional spectrum battles.

Personally, I believe one of the biggest detriments to Green Lantern right now is Geoff Johns. I think he is using his (rather massive) influence to cement and secure his concepts as much as possible, and, I'm sorry, but Green Lantern desperately needs to move on from his concepts and find something else to do.

Also, nothing personal against Venditti, but I'd get another writer. I think you will get only okay Green Lantern stories at best from him. I'm really surprised he has lasted as long as he has. Perhaps he's in good with the editors, or something.

But DC should really reevaluate this franchise and what to do with it. Won't happen, though, because I don't think Johns will allow any of his stuff to be junked/moved on from, especially when there's the possibility of another film on the horizon, and ESPECIALLY not when he's the one in charge of the direction of the films.

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Some things I would do (not that DC cares)...

Stop all emotional spectrum driven stories, and stop focusing on Emotional Spectrum characters. By now, it should be pretty clear that concept, in and of itself, isn't a particular draw. I attribute the success of those initial Emotional Spectrum stories to Geoff Johns, and not so much that particular concept, because it doesn't seem to excite a lot of readers when Johns isn't there to write about it.

Well, Johns' run had dipped a lot before he left so I think people were getting tired of it even when he was on it.

Unfortunately, TBTB probably don't think like that. They probably assume the emotional spectrum is a given and will take the sales as a sign to cut down to one book.

Personally, I believe one of the biggest detriments to Green Lantern right now is Geoff Johns. I think he is using his (rather massive) influence to cement and secure his concepts as much as possible. . .

I don't think he even has to. When Venditti, who was not a fan, started on GL he mentioned doing his research and he only ever talked about reading the Johns stuff. It seems like everyone now assumes that's where GL starts.

Also, nothing personal against Venditti, but I'd get another writer. I think you will get only okay Green Lantern stories at best from him. I'm really surprised he has lasted as long as he has...

I'd be cool with a creative change soon. I haven't hated everything Venditti has done, but he hasn't made himself indispensible to GL imho.