Green Lantern Sales Numbers

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Here's the info on Legion Lost from the New52 series. Somebody quote me or PM this shit to him so he'll quit wasting time blowing his own horn.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/legion-lost/4050-42686/

A New 52 volume featuring a group of Legion of Super-Heroes members stranded in the present day DCU written by Fabian Nicieza, with art by Pete Woods. The other members of the Legion are to appear in Legion of Super-Heroes, also part of the New 52. The current members of the team are Wildfire, Tyroc, Timber Wolf, Dawnstar, Tellus, Gates and Chameleon girl.]

The first arc/collection was titled "Run From Tomorrow".



Saying you came up with the idea of the Legion in the present a thousand times doesn't make it any more believable. It's been done. Time and again. Before and after this little rant of yours. I swear... I think dude's really got dementia. Or he just doesn't educate himself on what's actually on the shelves... like when he asked why the Bat-Universe isn't the PC corner of the DCU that GL has become... LMAO!

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Am I going to get put on ignored too if I do that?

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

There ain't no LoS comic now. That's because they're in the future. An LoS comic set in the future ain't gonna sell. If it would, then DC would be publishing such a comic.

Bringing them to the present PERMANENTLY is my idea, with some of their memory erased so they won't know everything that's going to happen.

Not for just a mini-series and not for just a story.

This is not the same thing at all. And the difference isn't subtle.

Just like DC going to bimonthly publishing is not the same thing as Marvel publishing five titles 18 times a year.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

Bringing them to the present PERMANENTLY is my idea, with some of their memory erased so they won't know everything that's going to happen.

That's a shitty idea.

I have an idea for an Aquaman series. The setting is the Arabian desert, and Aquaman will be there permanently. King of the sands.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

That's a shitty idea.

I have an idea for an Aquaman series. The setting is the Arabian desert, and Aquaman will be there permanently. King of the sands.

You're welcome to think so. But it was my idea, wasn't it? That's what a few folks here wouldn't admit under torture.

And no, your Aquaman idea wouldn't sell, even if you were serious about it, for the same reason that Aquaman in Atlantis never sells. He'd be cordoned off from the shared universe.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

You're welcome to think so. But it was my idea, wasn't it? That's what a few folks here wouldn't admit under torture.

Oh, I agree. These are ALL your ideas! It's plain enough to see. I just think it's good of you to help DC when they need you most.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

Oh, I agree. These are ALL your ideas! It's plain enough to see. I just think it's good of you to help DC when they need you most.

What do you mean by "these?" Anyway they haven't brought LoS to the present, and they probably won't. This site gets about 1 percent the traffic that CBR does, so nobody from DC is likely to see that one.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I meant the other ideas of yours DC used.

[Ωmega Man Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Ωmega Man]

They DID bring them to the present. They didn't try bringing the characters of Legion LOST back until AFTER sales continued to drop... IN THE PRESENT.

Also, am I the only one who remembers the 90's Legion members who were stuck in the present [seemingly permanent at the time] during Final Night?

If they didn't sell in the present for a year and a half, extending their stay in the present indefinitely isn't going to help matters. Doesn't matter what you think, LEGION IN THE PRESENT DOESN'T WORK.

Nothing is permanent in comics. Thinking they'd EVER bring the Legion to the present and never return them is pure idiocy. You know I bet somebody said "Spiderman 2099 would sell better in the present in the shared universe". It was tried to.. and guess what? You'll never believe this.... BUT IT DIDN'T LAST CAUSE NOBODY LIKED IT.

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[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

This is how the titles DC was publishing in May 2016, the last month of the New 52, were selling vs. how they're selling now.

Keep in mind that many of the titles are coming out twice a month. Thus if Batman sold 102K copies a year ago and is selling 97K X 2 now, DC is very happy with what looks like a 5K decline.

Except for JLA, which is a disaster, the numbers are good, and in several cases they're outstanding. However, the sales since Rebirth was launched are dropping about 200% faster than they did after the New 52 was launched, which is cause for concern.



BATMAN #52
102,197
97,544


JUSTICE LEAGUE #50
92,423
57,647


SUPERMAN #52
54,317
51,373


DETECTIVE COMICS #52
43,961
57,666


HARLEY QUINN #28
43,858
41,645


ACTION COMICS #52
40,623
43,555


BATMAN SUPERMAN #32
32,991
N/A


GREEN LANTERN #52
32,936
34,140 (HJATGLC)


FLASH #52
32,831
53,828


WONDER WOMAN #52
29,673
44,597


SUPERMAN WONDER WOMAN #29
28,569
N/A


BATGIRL #52
26,492
24,117


GRAYSON #20
23,762
38,230 (NIGHTWING)


NEW SUICIDE SQUAD #20
23,425
40,940 (SS)


ROBIN SON OF BATMAN #12
22,428
N/A


AQUAMAN #52
22,246
28,452


DEATHSTROKE #18
21,087
23,449


GREEN ARROW #52
20,559
29,993


TEEN TITANS #20
18,593
36,056


BATMAN BEYOND #12
18,133
24,789


SWAMP THING #5
18,021
N/A


EARTH 2 SOCIETY #12
17,492
N/A


ADVENTURES OF SUPERGIRL #1
16,704
23,814 (SUPERGIRL)


RED HOOD ARSENAL #12
16,402
26,410 (RHATO)


STARFIRE #12
16,361
N/A


CATWOMAN #52
16,146
N/A


SINESTRO #23
15,430
N/A


MARTIAN MANHUNTER #12
12,555
N/A


CYBORG #11
12,425
13,677

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Doesn't double shipping also raise the cost of producing the book significantly? Maybe not double (or maybe it is, I don't know), but enough so that they can't necessarily be happy with lower sales on each issue, just because the book ships twice a month now.

I wonder where the equivalency point is for individual issues for double vs. single shipped titles.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

Doesn't double shipping also raise the cost of producing the book significantly? Maybe not double (or maybe it is, I don't know), but enough so that they can't necessarily be happy with lower sales on each issue, just because the book ships twice a month now.

I wonder where the equivalency point is for individual issues for double vs. single shipped titles.

I don't think there's a significant economy of scale in doing that. I think the cost is about double.

But DC doesn't usually cancel a DCU comic until its sales dip below about 17K on ICV2, and they make at least some money on minis and specialty titles that sell even less than that. So incurring a small drop in profit per issue so they can publish a profitable comic twice a month is a great deal for them. You have to remember that they canceled a lot of poorly performing titles so they'd have the manpower to do this.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

These were the market share numbers in May 2016.

42.98% Marvel Comics
25.82% DC Entertainment
8.72% Image Comics
4.41% IDW Publishing
3.07% Dark Horse Comics
2.39% BOOM! Studios
1.53% Dynamite Entertainment
1.10% Titan Comics
0.97% Viz Media
0.87% Oni Press


And these are the current numbers.

34.95% Marvel Comics
30.49% DC Entertainment
10.54% Image Comics
4.46% Dark Horse Comics
3.63% IDW Publishing
2.27% BOOM! Studios
1.44% Dynamite Entertainment
1.30% Viz Media
1.30% Titan Comics
0.90% Archie Comics
8.73% Other Non-Top 10

[Ωmega Man Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Ωmega Man]

I'd imagine the cost to produce a single story, however many issues, is still the same. I'd imagine artists taking a bit of a pay cut since they have to hire twice as many, but the writer would still just get paid for the entire story as they normally would.

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Cyborg ain't even selling 14k. His series needs a shot in the arm if they wanna justify giving him his own damn movie.

I think the Rebirth universe should do something similar to the animated flick Teen Titans vs the Justice League and have the Titans adopt Cyborg as a 'big gun mentor' since he was in the League. The sooner he can hang with those guys again in the comics the better.

And get that stupid square C off his damn chest. He's one of the few characters, like Green Arrow, who doesn't need a symbol to visually know who they are. He's like 80% machine!

~//V\\~

[Vaegrin Corpse Trainee Find all posts View Profile Close Vaegrin]

Be careful about comparing May 2016 numbers to current sales. Books were winding down with #50 issues and major events leading up to Rebirth. Some of the sales numbers for those issues may have been inflated. Superman, for example:

Superman #48 (1/2016): 37,690
Superman #49 (2/2016): 36,318
Superman #50 (3/2016): 91,396
Superman #51 (4/2016): 38,103
Superman #52 (5/2016): 54,317

Rebirth Superman #20 (4/2017): 53,373
Rebirth Superman #21 (4/2017): 51,373


With those final issues leading up to Rebirth, it is worthwhile to look at the surrounding months to see if the numbers are genuinely reflective of how the series was selling on a regular basis. With Superman, the current numbers still look quite a lot better than they did in the early months of 2016, before the big push towards Rebirth. Not every series saw a boost. Green Lantern, for example, had similar numbers in April 2016 (32,862) and May 2016 (32,936).

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Also, you have to take into account that during Rebirth DC knocked a lot of 30-page $4 books (like 'tec and Action) down to 22-page $3 (but twice monthly) books. That would affect both profit and production.