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The numbers are up. It looks like Hal's comic may have bottomed out in the 28Ks, but Green Lanterns is down to the 24Ks now. Of course I think that Green Lanterns is being puffed a bit by free returns for unsold copies, and that it's really down to 19K. The usual cancellation level for DCU titles is 17K on icv2.
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February Comic Sales
1 2 Dark Knights Rising The Wild Hunt 1 $4.99 02/14/18 DC 101,373
2 3 X-Men Red 1 $4.99 02/07/18 Marvel 98,468
3 6 Batman 40 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 95,541
4 7 Batman 41 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 93,889
5 4 Walking Dead 176 $3.99 02/07/18 Image 77,407
6 5 Batman White Knight 5 $3.99 02/07/18 DC 77,373
7 1 Peter Parker Spectacular Spider-Man 300 $5.99 02/28/18 Marvel 77,094
8 11 Star Wars 43 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 56,045
9 8 Infinity Countdown Prime 1 $4.99 02/21/18 Marvel 55,260
10 12 Amazing Spider-Man 796 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 55,138
11 14 Star Wars Darth Vader 11 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 53,275
12 15 Amazing Spider-Man 795 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 52,844
13 9 Star Wars Thrawn 1 $4.99 02/14/18 Marvel 52,295
14 16 Detective Comics 975 $3.99 02/28/18 DC 51,856
15 29 Detective Comics 974 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 51,189
16 17 Kick-Ass 1 $3.99 02/14/18 Image 50,030
17 19 Star Wars Darth Vader 12 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 49,134
18 38 Flash 40 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 46,149
19 40 Flash 41 $2.99 02/28/18 DC 46,040
20 65 Terrifics 1 $2.99 02/28/18 DC 45,493
21 42 Justice League 38 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 45,314
22 44 Justice League 39 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 44,148
23 13 Amazing Spider-Man Annual 42 $4.99 02/14/18 Marvel 43,935
24 46 Action Comics 998 $2.99 02/28/18 DC 43,810
25 45 Superman 40 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 43,776
26 48 Action Comics 997 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 43,509
27 50 Superman 41 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 42,694
28 22 Brave & The Bold Batman & Wonder Woman 1 $3.99 02/21/18 DC 42,087
29 18 Doctor Strange Damnation 1 $4.99 02/21/18 Marvel 41,564
30 23 Mighty Thor 704 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 41,533
31 20 Hit-Girl 1 $3.99 02/21/18 Image 39,709
32 25 Avengers 682 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 39,486
33 24 X-Men Gold 21 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 39,379
34 26 Avengers 681 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 39,345
35 28 Avengers 679 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 39,046
36 33 X-Men Blue 21 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 39,030
37 63 Saga 49 $2.99 02/28/18 Image 38,734
38 30 Avengers 680 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 38,437
39 21 Infinity Countdown Adam Warlock 1 $4.99 02/07/18 Marvel 38,295
40 31 Batman and the Signal 2 $3.99 02/21/18 DC 37,758
41 32 Old Man Logan 35 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 37,227
42 67 Wonder Woman 40 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 36,464
43 36 Captain America 698 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 36,297
44 59 Marvel Two-In-One 3 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 35,890
45 34 Mera Queen of Atlantis 1 $3.99 02/28/18 DC 35,701
46 70 Wonder Woman 41 $2.99 02/28/18 DC 35,572
47 37 X-Men Gold 22 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 35,420
48 89 Sideways 1 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 35,086
49 39 X-Men Blue 22 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 35,062
50 35 Venom 162 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 34,211
51 51 Old Man Hawkeye 2 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 33,365
52 81 Batman Sins of the Father 1 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 32,487
53 49 Batman Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II 4 $3.99 02/21/18 DC 32,128
54 41 Venom 161 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 31,864
55 53 Astonishing X-Men 8 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 31,786
56 52 Supergirl 18 $3.99 02/14/18 DC 31,675
57 86 Harley Quinn 37 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 31,619
58 88 Harley Quinn 38 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 31,314
59 54 Titans 20 $3.99 02/14/18 DC 30,696
60 55 Star Wars Doctor Aphra 17 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 30,398
61 56 Invincible Iron Man 597 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 30,242
62 57 All New Wolverine 31 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 30,055
63 60 Thanos 16 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 29,806
64 10 Swamp Thing Winter Special 1 $7.99 02/07/18 DC 29,727
65 58 Super Sons 13 $3.99 02/21/18 DC 29,625
66 61 Despicable Deadpool 294 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 29,521
67 62 Deadpool Vs. Old Man Logan 5 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 29,373
68 97 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 38 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 28,613
69 98 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 39 $2.99 02/28/18 DC 28,340
70 92 Black Panther 170 LEG WW $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 28,143
71 66 Teen Titans 17 $3.99 02/28/18 DC 27,828
72 100 Nightwing 39 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 27,731
73 69 Daredevil 598 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 27,317
74 105 Nightwing 38 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 27,188
75 109 Damage 2 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 27,004
76 107 Suicide Squad 35 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 26,798
77 71 Doctor Strange 385 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 26,774
78 110 Justice League of America 24 $2.99 02/14/18 DC 26,543
79 72 Despicable Deadpool 295 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 26,369
80 47 Mother Panic Batman Special 1 $4.99 02/07/18 DC 26,198
81 114 Suicide Squad 36 $2.99 02/28/18 DC 25,531
82 76 Justice League of America 25 $3.99 02/28/18 DC 25,303
83 78 Spider-Man 237 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 25,281
84 117 Green Lanterns 41 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 25,155
85 77 Aquaman 33 $3.99 02/21/18 DC 24,974
86 79 Star Wars Poe Dameron 24 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 24,937
87 82 Doctor Strange 386 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 24,864
88 80 Spider-Man Deadpool 27 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 24,825
89 120 Green Lanterns 40 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 24,807
90 83 Daredevil 599 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 24,771
91 84 Weapon X 14 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 24,577
92 85 Spider-Man Deadpool 28 $3.99 02/28/18 Marvel 24,338
93 87 Punisher 221 $3.99 02/14/18 Marvel 24,078
94 91 Incredible Hulk 713 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 23,652
95 90 Trinity 18 $3.99 02/21/18 DC 23,503
96 64 Doom Patrol Jla Special 1 $4.99 02/28/18 DC 23,254
97 95 Defenders 10 $3.99 02/21/18 Marvel 22,744
98 94 Green Arrow 37 $3.99 02/07/18 DC 22,425
99 126 Paper Girls 20 $2.99 02/07/18 Image 22,366
100 96 Rogue & Gambit 2 $3.99 02/07/18 Marvel 22,201
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161 203 Injustice 2 19 $2.99 02/07/18 DC 10,584
168 214 Injustice 2 20 $2.99 02/21/18 DC 10,268Last edited by Space Cop; 03-12-2018, 11:10 PM.
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As long as Johns is calling shots at DC, I don't have a lot of hopes for Green Lantern. Rather than the franchise doing something fresh, or revisiting old and forgotten stuff and building upon it in good ways (lots of stuff back there), or doing SOMETHING to get it out of this terrible rut it's been in, I think a Geoff Johns directed DC will just double down on more things we've been seeing the last 15 or so years, despite it being evident that people aren't really all that receptive to those approaches and concepts anymore, like Atrocitus, colored Corps, Jessica Cruz, bugallax, "wars" that are really just superhero/villain brawls with a lot of characters, and so on.
A Geoff Johns directed DC and its supporters will act like that stuff is hugely popular and working just fine, and there may even be some online review websites that praise it, but it will not show up in the sales numbers, or with actual enthusiasm from the fanbase. If there is going to be a Green Lantern Corps film (I dunno' if there is, but DC says there will be), I am reasonably certain it will feature concepts like Atrocitus, Colored Corps, and all of that, therefore, I belive DC will likely continue trying to peddle that in the comics, despite not many people really caring anymore.
I think the best thing for Green Lantern is for some uninhibited creator to appear, who knows the history of the franchise well, and who sees beyond just the Johns era. And who can work with characters and concepts like, say, Rose Hardin, Mosaic, Kari Limbo, and Tom Kalmaku, and a more classic Carol Ferris even, and give better roles for characters like Arisia, and present them in ways to craft new stories and attract new fans for them, while also making the old fans jizz over the nostalgia of having them around again and recognizing and appreciate them. That's what I would do if DC magically dumped Green Lantern in my lap.
The way things have been going lately has gotten very tiring, and very, very uninteresting. Venditti tries to work with older concepts every now and then, like the Darkstars, but because he doesn't have any passion for them, and is generally a mediocre writer at best, it's never all that good, and just seems like token service.Last edited by Star-Lantern; 03-13-2018, 02:12 PM.Comment
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Trying to blame John's because Venditti sucks as a GL writer is beyond getting old at this point. He has had nothing to do with GL since he helped launch Green Lanterns. The fact that GL has become an afterthought and is selling at early 90's levels is on Didio head and no one else."If at first you don't succeed, try Kyle again!".Comment
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Well, that IS a whopper.Originally posted by Raker616 View Post
I'm of the persuasion that launching Green Lanterns at all is a rather sizable part of the problem going on here, since it has near everything to do with why every other Green Lantern character is crammed into one title, which is causing a whole host of problems. And it is all done for the sake of two characters created by Geoff Johns that some may feel are unnecessary and crowding things, and watering the GL concept down too much.
But as we know with the inception of Green Lanterns, Geoff Johns, DC Comics President, conspired with the writers to set the course for these titles for his Rebirth relaunch. Did he write them? Only the parts of the Green Lanterns Rebirth one-shot, but he has a part--a rather big one, I think--to play in Green Lantern's current state of affairs.
It's not just that the stories aren't written great (a fault of the writers), but I think the current status quo is quite problematic.Last edited by Star-Lantern; 03-14-2018, 10:34 PM.Comment
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You keep pointing to Geoff being President like that somehow means he calls the shots when he doesn't. He has some stroke but he works for Dan who started the downfall of GL with the New 52 and who put Venditti a virtual unknown into what was a flagship DC book.
He then kept him on the book as sales and interest declined on the book. Which lead to the DC YOU debacle that drove off alot of fans and yet he continues to write GL. Which is selling almost record low numbers at the moment and DC continues to ignore the book and most of the characters."If at first you don't succeed, try Kyle again!".Comment
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I pointed to that one time. And if a President doesn't call the shots... who does?Originally posted by Raker616 View Post
The position of President (Geoff Johns), outranks the position of Publisher (Dan DiDio). Geoff Johns doesn't work for DiDio. At most, he works with him. The only people Johns answers to are perhaps Diane Nelson and some other Warner Bros. executives.He has some stroke but he works for Dan who started the downfall of GL with the New 52 and who put Venditti a virtual unknown into what was a flagship DC book.
And that's all true (sort of. I don't think DC ignores the book anymore than they do many others). But I think you're being kind of naive in exonerating Geoff Johns from this entire thing. The Rebirth relaunch is Geoff Johns' project. He could have directed Green Lantern toward another path, but instead we have what we have now, and it's absolutely no coincidence that his characters (Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz) are occupying their own title while everyone else is crammed together in another. I think you're being somewhat (probably willfully) naive if you think Johns has nothing to do with that. I think that fact alone informs that he has something (quite a bit) to do with this, when taking into consideration that his position not only allows him to have something to do with it, but even encourages him to have something to do with it.He then kept him on the book as sales and interest declined on the book. Which lead to the DC YOU debacle that drove off alot of fans and yet he continues to write GL. Which is selling almost record low numbers at the moment and DC continues to ignore the book and most of the characters.Last edited by Star-Lantern; 03-15-2018, 05:16 AM.Comment
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... so if you know Johns work WITH them, then why do you only always blame Johns and not include Didio and Lee?Comment
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When you consider the facts behind everything, who do you think has more to do with a title like Green Lanterns, and the general direction of Green Lantern?
Geoff Johns, who created the title characters in Green Lanterns, who helped write the first Green Lanterns issue, and who created many of the concepts the Rebirth Green Lantern books launched with (both Green Lantern titles launched with color corps/Emotional spectrum stories, which Geoff Johns is well known for doing), or Jim Lee... who... hasn't really been that involved with Green Lantern, ever, outside of drawing the character in Justice League or in some event, or some other books that aren't Green Lantern titles.
In short, it doesn't seem like this needs a lot of explaining, but there is a whole heck of a lot more to suggest a Geoff Johns influence than a strong Jim Lee one. The Green Lanterns title is a real clincher in my mind. And I mean, everyone should know that Rebirth is an initiative headed up by Geoff Johns.Comment
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According to Bleeding Cool, Diane Nelson is no longer Geoff Johns' boss. Apparently someone higher up than her wasn't happy with some of the stuff Johns was doing, and decided to have Johns report to him instead.
Bleeding Cool claims that Johns' toys are being taken away from him.Comment
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Are you talking about the article from October? Because that article didn't say it Johns wouldn't be reporting to Nelson anymore due to a higher up being unhappy with him, it was due to him moving over to the film side.Originally posted by Trey Strain View Post
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It's been awhile but if I remember correctly Johns wasn't promoted to President until 2016 after the DC YOU debacle which was orchestrated by Dan. That was basically the breaking point for GL and while he helmed the overall relaunch of Rebirth.It was Dan still calls the shots on the books that Geoff doesn' have a personal hand in which is pretty much almost every book.Originally posted by Star-Lantern View Post
While Johns did launch Green Lanterns, i've seen nothing that shows he's had anything to do with the direction of Hal's book. It's pretty clear to me that after he finished his GL run, he washed his hands of the character which he didn'the even bother to showcase in the Justice League book he was writing. Dan is to blame for Venditti still being on the book and Hal and the other earth lanterns basically being irrelevant for the past couple of years."If at first you don't succeed, try Kyle again!".Comment
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