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    Like, in the last 5 years, what do you think is the biggest think that's hurt Green Lantern comics and its readership?
    10
    Geoff Johns
    10.00%
    1
    The introduction of all of the different colored Corps
    20.00%
    2
    Too much emphasis on Hal Jordan
    10.00%
    1
    Simon Baz/Jessica Cruz/"Green Lanterns"
    40.00%
    4
    Ending "New Guardians"
    0.00%
    0
    "Hal Jordan & The Green Lantern Corps"/being too packed
    0.00%
    0
    Bad writers/writing
    10.00%
    1
    Bad artists/artwork
    0.00%
    0
    Too many events/event fatigue
    10.00%
    1
    Lack of continuity
    0.00%
    0

  • #2
    Wow, that's a tough choice. All of these have been big problems:

    Geoff Johns
    The introduction of all of the different colored Corps
    Too much emphasis on Hal Jordan
    Simon Baz/Jessica Cruz/"Green Lanterns"

    But if I had to choose one thing to do FIRST, it would be to get rid of Baz and Cruz.

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    • #3
      In the five year period, yeah, the focus on Cruz and Baz.

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      • #4
        I think the problems with Green Lantern fall under two or three categories.

        First, are the smaller problems, though they are important. I would put bad writing and lack of continuity in this category. The quality of Green Lantern comics that are being put out now is low. They may not be so bad as to be deplorable, but when you do five years of slow, mediocre comics with very iffy continuity, that is going to catch up to you. This problem is solved simply with better storytelling. I think Robert Venditti sucks as a writer (his stories are simply unexciting, and their endings largely anti-climactic), so maybe DC can improve things on this front going forward with someone else.

        Then you get into the larger, overarching problems, and the way I see it, one way or another, these problems are mostly due to Geoff Johns. When you take a look at many of the options in the poll, Johns (or at least the comics he wrote and the directions he set) is ultimately the cause of them. His biggest offense is probably creating Baz and Cruz, and the creation of the Green Lanterns comic book. Maybe. Forcing Hal Jordan on consumers is also a really big problem depending on your perspective.

        The third category in GL problems I'd say is the totally fractured fanbase, and I think Johns has a hand to play in this as well. Admittedly, it was going on before he even got there. However, he hasn't helped with creating Baz and Cruz, and the problem is possibly as bad as it's ever been.

        Fans are always at each others' throats, and they get mad when some Lantern they don't like is chosen for some role, or even if some villain shows up in a comic that their favorite Lantern won't be in, because they perceive some other Lantern as stealing his stuff, or someone took someone else's love interest, or some say some Lantern gets all the roles while they say the audience at large never responded favorably to him.
        To say the least, it's very messy... Untangling and repairing that is probably the most daunting task DC faces with the Green Lantern brand, aside from dealing with the continued toxicity and damage control of the 2011 film.

        If I had to pick the biggest problem with Green Lantern as a brand, it's the fact that general audiences aren't fond of it. Following that, it's the fractured, perpetually unhappy and nervous fanbase.

        If we're only talking about comics, I'll go with Baz and Cruz. They're totally unnecessary characters in my eyes. But even if they were totally wiped out, there are still a lot of big problems facing the brand.
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        • #5
          I've got to say Venditti carries part of the blame. By the time he took over, Geoff had overexerted the spectrum to the breaking point. And when they had the chance to step away from all of that for a while, he doubled down on it with Relic and Lights Out. And he snapped my interest into a million pieces.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Michael Heide View Post
            I've got to say Venditti carries part of the blame. By the time he took over, Geoff had overexerted the spectrum to the breaking point. And when they had the chance to step away from all of that for a while, he doubled down on it with Relic and Lights Out. And he snapped my interest into a million pieces.
            While you're not wrong, at that particular place in time I wonder if he wasn't actively made to do that by Johns, or barring that... felt like he needed to pitch that to get it cleared under Johns' purview.

            For me, I was excited when the Sinestro Corps War started. Less so toward its end. Partially for how they did Kyle (so, for admittedly selfish reasons), but mostly for how it just seemed to... well, just cliffhang into every major event since ever.

            And I remember it clear as day. Myself going to the mic, asking Geoff Johns at Emerald City Comic Con. "Geoff, I really loved a lot of the lower scale one-in-done, sort of low-key issues. You know, Green Lantern vs. Sonar, or Kyle dealing with some date on Earth or even just coffee at Radu's. Will we ever get away from these giant events that just bleed into one another?" (no, I wasn't that eloquent, but that's the gist of it)

            His response?

            "I love big events. I'm always going to have big events."

            And he received thunderous applause and cheers and I was basically booed back into my seat.

            And that didn't bother me. I was in a room with mostly people barely discovering GL. It's whatever. I think it was even the same ECCC that Mark Waid took the mic (no, really... I'm not kidding, he popped out of the line and asked a question like everyone else in the line completely in disguise) and asked Geoff in earnest to revisit Hal Jordan as Pol Manning at some point, almost pleading with him (Geoff shrugged him off). But as time went on and this horse kept being beaten... I kept coming back to this. Why was this such a strange thing?

            What happened to Pol Manning? I mean, who cares about Pol Manning now... but that's a major part of Hal's history (and future). But what happened to anything? What happened to Cowgirl? What has made us feel like there is anyone at the wheel in the past 5+ years that has given (or been allowed to) a fuck? Please tell me.

            Geoff event-fucked things into oblivion. With a smile.

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            • #7
              Yeah. And when they had a chance to step back from that, they didn't. And then they had another chance with DC Rebirth, and the first storyarcs of both ongoings dealt with the Sinestro Corps and the Red Lantern Corps and I ran away from that so fast I ended up in 2038.

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              • #8
                Its pretty much all of the above.

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                • #9
                  The saddest part is that getting rid of Baz and Cruz is the one thing they'll never, ever do, under any circumstances. They'd rather shut down the GL comics completely than do that.

                  Displaying their virtue means that much to them.

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                  • #10
                    Kyle being de-powered............................... but cause that's not part of the poll i went with Baz and what's-her-name

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Trey Strain View Post
                      The saddest part is that getting rid of Baz and Cruz is the one thing they'll never, ever do, under any circumstances. They'd rather shut down the GL comics completely than do that.

                      Displaying their virtue means that much to them.
                      I don't think it's virtue signalling as much as it was making sure that Geoff keeps getting his royalty checks. Now that he has less to say, he'll have to write them into Three Jokers or Shazam.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Michael Heide View Post
                        I don't think it's virtue signalling as much as it was making sure that Geoff keeps getting his royalty checks. Now that he has less to say, he'll have to write them into Three Jokers or Shazam.
                        I predicted a few days ago that Green Lanterns will continue, with Hal joining the cast. I'd like to be wrong, but I'm sticking to that. We should know something when the September solicits are released.

                        The silver lining is that this would leave the other Lanterns available for Grant Morrison to write.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Trey Strain View Post
                          The saddest part is that getting rid of Baz and Cruz is the one thing they'll never, ever do, under any circumstances. They'd rather shut down the GL comics completely than do that.

                          Displaying their virtue means that much to them.
                          As long as Johns is apart of DC Baz and Cruz are untouchable.

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                          • #14
                            I voted the emotional spectrum, but like Space Cop said if the last 5 years is specifically what you are asking then I will say Baz and Jessica. Adding the SJW crap into an already crowded field of characters was a disaster. There were too many human GLs as it was before they started checking off the lame PC list.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Michael Heide View Post
                              I don't think it's virtue signalling as much as it was making sure that Geoff keeps getting his royalty checks. Now that he has less to say, he'll have to write them into Three Jokers or Shazam.
                              I agree. I think the only reason he made Baz and Cruz minorities was to make them harder to get rid of, so to speak. Also so they will offer something that most of the other Green Lanterns don't, which may look appealing to corporate higher ups, therefore increasing their chances of being used in adaptations and whatnot. It was a shrewd move (I think Geoff Johns is a shrewd person), but I'm pretty sure Geoff Johns isn't an SJW and I don't think diversity is a particularly high priority for him.
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