Geoff Johns in trouble?

[Star-Lantern Weaponer of Qward Find all posts View Profile Close Star-Lantern]

Not all true. Wally became black for quite a while. Alan became gay. Harley and (sometimes) Selina were made bi. Hal stayed the same (though a slight retcon that doesn’t seem to have been widely used sees him half Jewish now), but Kyle was retconned as Hispanic and a Muslim and Hispanic woman were added to an already crowded list of Earth GLs. [And that's not even counting what DC was planning with 5G.] Not saying these were all failures or even bad calls (and, of course, there are a ton of retcons that aren't remotely pandering), but they’re there.

Aside from Harley Quinn and Catwoman, I wouldn't say any of the characters you mentioned were strongly pushed by Dan DiDio, except for Hal Jordan, who I do not consider a "diverse" character. Basically, I think the instances you mention are pussyfooting and not really the actions of someone who is strongly pushing diversity.

I am not saying there was no diversity in DC during Dan DiDio's leadership, but I would not call most of the instances you mention to be long and hard pushes by someone pushing diversity. But if those are the standards, I think they're abysmal.

For example, if the idea is that diversity is being strongly pushed because an alternate universe counterpart character who is infrequently used in stories--and basically never used in solo stories (unlike many of the straight heroes)--is turned gay, then I personally disagree with that notion.

Conversely, in my mind, people who strongly push for diversity make things like Nella the Princess Knight, Gullah Gullah Island, and The Puzzle Place. They don't turn in half efforts like Cyborg on the Justice League, creating "ethnic" GL's to play subordinates to the white one, racebending a character and using diversity as weapon in order to spite that character's fans, trying to kill arguably the company's most popular black and even diverse character just because they don't like him, and so on.

But hey, we all have our own perspectives.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Aside from Harley Quinn and Catwoman, I wouldn't say any of the characters you mentioned were strongly pushed by Dan DiDio ...

But hey, we all have our own perspectives.

Meh, I don't think we're disagreeing that much. I was just addressing that part that all the characters were all the same during DiDio's run. I'm not by any means arguing that DiDio was some kind of champion of diversity.

[JohnMc Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close JohnMc]

My point about white males is that by and large, they're the ones who buy comics, and there's no evidence at all that this will change. Yet for a long time, DiDio and others have been chasing other demographics who will allegedly rush in and buy comics, if only the companies push straight white male characters aside in favor of characters who those other demographics can better relate to.

They gave that approach a long hard push, despite having no market data that it would pay off, and it didn't. Now if this is about DC signaling its virtue, and maybe it is, then that's a different matter. But there is no new demographic that will rush into the comics shops, and if DC or Marvel says there is, then they need to produce some evidence of that.

You have to spend your marketing money where market research says it will get a return, or explain to your investors why you don't. The comics market is dominated by older white males, so it seems to make sense to invest their dollars in marketing mainly to younger white males -- even if that doesn't signal the companies' virtue.

I suspect that DiDio wanted to nuke the DCU and pretty much purge the straight white males. I don't know that, but I think it's likely. And someone said no.

The problem with their diversity push, as far as trying to get girls and People of Color to buy comics. They already had them. My old comic dealer always used to tell how these companies were trying to get these, but they were already buying. They would buy Spider-man, Superman, Batman, Capt. America and X-Men. Not the ones they expected them to buy.

[JohnMc Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close JohnMc]

The XM statue is a good indicator that she's resonating with adults as well as kids. It carries a $600 price tag, so there had to be some solid market research that it was going to sell before putting out such a premium piece.

I like Jessica so I have no problem with her sticking around [I just wish it wasn't at Guy's or Kyle's expense] Her background of having anxiety and overcoming it makes her relatable. So I'm not surprised at the premium merchandise [plus I'm sure alot of adults watch Dc Girls. I mean Bronys for God sake]

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

DC publishes only a limited number of comics pages per month. Every time the company introduces a new Earth Lantern, or a new replacement character, or a new legacy character, the existing characters have to appear in fewer and fewer pages.

It's been a zero-sum game for a long time, and the current implosion has made the problem much worse.

Where are you going to publish stories about Jessica Cruz? And which character's pages will you reduce, so can add her pages?

This is a matter of squeezing fifty pounds of shit into a five-pound bag, so you can pay royalties to Geoff Johns.

[jhpace1 Green Lantern Initiate Find all posts View Profile Close jhpace1]

I like Jessica so I have no problem with her sticking around [I just wish it wasn't at Guy's or Kyle's expense]

And that's the problem. Is Young Justice only for new fans? Is Teen Titans only for new fans? Because that's the age demographic the rulers of DCU appear to be aiming for.

Is Superman ever going to retire? No. Is Wonder Woman? Not while her movies with Gal Gadot are blockbusters. Batman? They've tried, multiple times, to retire Batman, and it's never worked. So what makes Green Lantern teeter on the edge of the garbage can by the editors of DCU?

Sales.

Green Lantern comes in below #10 (or even #28) on a weekly basis. The fans have a love/hate relationship, no, a love/apathy relationship with Green Lantern. The stories are hard to write. The graphics use more green ink than the United States Mint on a year-over-year basis. Transferring to CGI was the bomb of 2011, because it's still difficult to do free-form raytracing for all those constructs in a movie with actors and actresses. So live-action blockbusters fueling the DCU skyscraper in New York City is not going to happen with Green Lantern.

So with Green Lantern limited to animated comic (or anime?) style production, the best we'll see are the animated movies of First Flight or the daily/weekly TV episodes of DC Super Hero Girls. That's lunch money at the DCU skyscraper, not rent money.

Does Geoff Johns care about GL? In my opinion, only if he can bring "rent money" to the DCU skyscraper. He's not interested in anything less, because of his cut of the proceeds.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

Some people think it's a matter of "the more the merrier," but that's nonsense. DC has only about a dozen monthlies that it can reliably sell, yet it keeps bringing in replacement characters, legacy characters and new Earth Lanterns, so someone like Johns can make royalties off them.

That's just stupid.

[Big Blue Lantern Corps Honor Guard Find all posts View Profile Close Big Blue Lantern]

I like Jessica so I have no problem with her sticking around [I just wish it wasn't at Guy's or Kyle's expense] Her background of having anxiety and overcoming it makes her relatable. So I'm not surprised at the premium merchandise [plus I'm sure alot of adults watch Dc Girls. I mean Bronys for God sake]

Likewise, I wish Kyle had the spot that she's currently occupying. However, given that GL's non-print appearances have been so sparse over the last decade, I'm just glad than ANY Lantern is getting the spotlight.

DC Super Hero Girls is indeed a fun show. I watch it with my youngest daughter, but I'd watch it regardless. Jess is very different on that show, as is Hal Jordan, but it's a nice entry point to the DC Universe for young kids. Animation is important in making new readers. How often do you hear that comic book readers were first hooked by seeing a cartoon when he/she was young? I'd say that's a significant portion of comic book fans.

With the news that DC will reduce their number of ongoings, I kind of expect either a GLC solo book or the next title to focus on a pair of Lanterns. John will probably stay in the JL title. Could Hal and Jessica be paired up? That could work. Where does that leave Guy, Kyle, and Simon? Unfortunately, I don't know. However, I do expect Jo Mullein to find her way into something like Teen Titans or another young character-centric book.

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

Fisher now saying that the DC Films president called him and told him it was OK for him to throw Joss Whedon under the bus... but not Geoff Johns!

Jeeze, how in the hell does Johns have so much sway over so many powerful people? What does he have over them?

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...e-geoff-johns/

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

Fisher now saying that the DC Films president called him and told him it was OK for him to throw Joss Whedon under the bus... but not Geoff Johns!

Jeeze, how in the hell does Johns have so much sway over so many powerful people? What does he have over them?

https://screenrant.com/justice-leagu...e-geoff-johns/

Regarding weadon i think its really fucked up he fired someone for being pregnant. I guess his history gos back to the buffy tv series days. I Would assume thats illegal. Not sure how that works in the movie industry but any real job would get sued . I also read his ex wife stated hes a fake feminist but than again she wrote a book so who knows if thats TRUE. As for fisher imo and just my opinion if the reports of racism are true why wait till now to report it. Right now john boyega is saying Disney was racist and gave good parts to white actors yet the guy is in star wars has a shit ton of merchandise of his likeness and i dont see him refusing any of the merchandise royalties or leave Disney. Its political lets call it for what it is . Funny how all this came out after all these riots with blm and the myth of systematic racism. Or the me to movement and how women are treated less equal than men despite women having more privilege than men. Sorry for my rant but i get really pissed off about how rich minority celebreties bitch and complain about not being treated right but make millions at the same time . Same with women . Its dangerous just to be a guy now despite race. One accusation and your done

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

Regarding weadon i think its really fucked up he fired someone for being pregnant.

I'm not sure I 100% believe that, but it's possible. So far it's just hearsay.

I guess his history gos back to the buffy tv series days. I Would assume thats illegal. Not sure how that works in the movie industry but any real job would get sued . I also read his ex wife stated hes a fake feminist but than again she wrote a book so who knows if thats TRUE

That I do believe. Do as I say, not as I do, etc..

I used to really like Whedon and look up to him until I started seeing his Tweets. But I'll still rewatch Buffy and all that, it doesn't take away from the work.

[TazzMission Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close TazzMission]

I'm not sure I 100% believe that, but it's possible. So far it's just hearsay.



That I do believe. Do as I say, not as I do, etc..

I used to really like Whedon and look up to him until I started seeing his Tweets. But I'll still rewatch Buffy and all that, it doesn't take away from the work.

Didnt weadon also write a wonder woman movie script that leaked and came off as a really weird fantasy?

[Andrew NDB Shot Caller Find all posts View Profile Close Andrew NDB]

Didnt weadon also write a wonder woman movie script that leaked and came off as a really weird fantasy?

Not sure about the fantasy stuff, but I remember implicitly reading that it was strictly a period piece WW2 thing and WB wasn't having that. But that was just his words... the reality may have been very different.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I think I've heard enough of this Fisher guy that played Cyborg being a whiny bitch. My lord what an annoying crybaby. Every work place has one, this guy is it for this movie. What a cancer to have on set, I'd want to be rid of him too if I were the producers.

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I think I've heard enough of this Fisher guy that played Cyborg being a whiny bitch. My lord what an annoying crybaby. Every work place has one, this guy is it for this movie. What a cancer to have on set, I'd want to be rid of him too if I were the producers.

Not as bad as john boyega and disney. Fans should buy him some powder to powder his privileged pussy and give him a pacifier