Any other Star Trek fans on here??

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Just finished watching the pilot again for the first time in over a decade. I forgot about Tuvok being a spy.



It wasn't bad overall. Some things are a bit strange. For instance, Trek is usually known for being talk heavy and over explaining things but the show takes a leap when they talk about the difficulty of getting into the Ocampan underground and the next scene is them there (TNG and other shows would've shown them doing the scan and reporting back that they found the breach and show them beaming down). And the ending (let's destroy the array and mix our crews) seems abrupt.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Yeah, I seem to recall thinking that the decision not to use the array to go home was a singularly stupid one. It didn't help my opinion of the series that the entire premise was predicated on a bad decision by Janeway. Then the series ended with a Future version of Janeway making another wrong decision. So bad bookends, IMHO, but a lot that came between was entertaining.

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Well, I was watching this while doing other stuff, but as far as I could tell, the Caretaker was dead, so they couldn't use him. They didn't give any indication that it was likely they could use the array even if they could hold off the Kazon (big if) and had time to study.

Here's a bit from an analysis of here choices called "The Court Martial of Captain Janeway":

That aside, Voyager could not have used the array to return home even if they wanted to, something that seems to have been overlooked repeatedly by critics. Tuvok states categorically that it would take several hours to find out how to send them home and at the same time Voyagers bridge crew are informed that Kazon reinforcements are 15 minutes away. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Janeway had two choices, give it to the Kazon or blow it up and get the hell out of there.

[Sylent_Asassin Black Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Sylent_Asassin]

Equinox was one of my favorite episodes. It's the one where they find the other Starship in the Delta quadrant being attacked by aliens. The Captain of that ship sanctioned the capture of the aliens to use them as an energy source that would get them back to the Alpha quadrant in half the time (or something).

I was disappointed that they never used the crew of the Equinox after that episode. I think most of them were put in the brig, but some of the crew were supposed to be integrated with Voyager's crew.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Well, I seem to recall that the impression given during the show was that they DID think there was a good possibility that they could figure out how to use the array to send them home. If it still existed, that possibility would remain, even if it was in the hands of the Kazon.

Blowing it up removed that possibility, and for what reason? To prevent the Kazon from getting it? Why should it matter to Voyager if the Kazon got it? Concern for the Ocampa?

Prime Directive considerations aside in taking sides in that matter, I have a hard time buying concern for the Ocampa as a motivator given that Voyager simply left after blowing up the array. This left the Ocampa without any source of energy, and did nothing to protect them from the Kazon, since the Kazon were still there, and the Ocampa could not stay in their underground city indefinitely without the array. The Ocampa were still, essentially, left at the mercy of the Kazon. Oops.

Blowing up the array seemed more like a way to spite the Kazon in the short term, make them a greater enemy in the long term, and guarantee that the Voyager had no ready way home, while at the same time doing nothing much to help the Ocampa.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Well, perhaps, but the intention was obviously supposed to be that they sacrificed a possible way home to save an alien species. You could question if that was the actual choice, but that was the purpose. I don't think you're even remotely supposed to leave with the idea that Janeway was saying "we could leave, but I'd rather stick it to the Kazon for spite's sake."

That said, I personally think with the info we're given it would be highly unlikely that they could go back via the array. (1) they made it abundantly clear that even the way the Caretaker understands navigation and communication was beyond their understanding (let alone actually mastering it). It would be like a cave man trying to figure out the International Space Station. (2) The array's energy was rapidly diminishing (as part of the Caretaker's post-mortem plan), which means their time limit (to defeat the Kazon and their reinforcements and master the array) was short.

Those things considered, it would really stink if Janeway made the other decision, the Ocampans were wiped out immediately AND Voyager still didn't get home.

But none of it is particularly provable with what's shown. Your assumption is that they did nothing to really help the Ocampans and gave up a sure way home. Mine would be that they saved the Ocampans at least for the time being and gave up an opportunity that was unlikely to pan out. Both are conjecture.

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A bit off topic, but in the same realm: whatever happened to Rick Berman? Wasn't he the defacto trek man after Roddenbury passed? Come to think of it, I never heard any mention of him related to the Abrams Age.

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I remember the time , when Star Trek Nemesis came out and the enterprise - serie was canceled. Rick Berman was heavily attacked by many star trek fans . Some people called him "trek killer". I think some fans even gathered in front of the paramount studios to protest against him.
My opinion was that these guys were overreacting and they were looking for a scapegoat.

He himself was speaking of "franchise fatigue" and "fan apathy", before he left.
Berman is active on twitter, where a lot of his tweets are about star trek

https://twitter.com/berman_rick



He is not very happy with the current Star trek movies, :

https://twitter.com/berman_rick/stat...91065807192064

He also said that they lack "heart".

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Astronaut Terry Verts yesterday:

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William Shatner defends decision not to attend Leonard Nimoy's funeral



William Shatner spoke publicly on Twitter over the weekend on why he wasn't able to attend Leonard Nimoy's funeral. (AP)

[IonFan Forum Member Find all posts View Profile Close IonFan]

still wrong W.S., still wrong

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Yeah, it seems like people would've forgiven him for backing out. Still, it's better than him ditching for a personal event or just not showing up.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Eh, I have sympathy for him. He was really in a no win situation. I cannot imagine that he didn't WANT to attend the funeral. I'm sure he will express his condolences in person before too long. But he was already booked at a charity event on the other side of the country, and had VERY little notice. I'd bet he feels bad about missing it, even without everybody piling on.

[Lantern A-train Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Lantern A-train]

It's funny how people are reprimanding a man for attending a previously scheduled CHARITY engagement and not being able to attend the funeral of a man who played a character that stated, “Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” From what we know of the man,m I don't think Mr. Nimoy would have wanted it any other way.

This was as close to a Kobayashi Maru Shatner could get to in real life. People call him out and hate on him for not attending the funeral yet if her cancelled his appearance there people would have given him shit for that too. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

IMO The man didn't need to justify his reasoning to ANYONE.