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Trey Strain 08-22-2009 05:16 PM

Hal's gray temples
 
If I had been put in charge of the reboot, Hal's gray temples were about the only thing done to him between 1972 and 2004 that I'd have kept.

What did you guys think about them?

Limelantern 08-22-2009 05:50 PM

I didn't like how Superman, Batman, and Wonderwoman got a reboot while Hal became older. It made no sense to me.

Requiem 08-22-2009 10:53 PM

I guess I always figured that Bruce and Clark were around 36, Diana was ageless, and Hall was 38-42, so it made sense to me.

IonFan 08-22-2009 11:24 PM

hated them, they were one of the reasons i could never get into GL before Kyle, Hal just looked too old to be a hero (in my eyes anyway)

Colonel Xonic 08-22-2009 11:40 PM

He looked old, but I did like them. They went well with his Lax costume made him look smart, ect. But I still think if he looked younger with a browner tone he could pull it off again :p :cool:

Mycroft 08-23-2009 02:22 AM

I dont liked them.. and he dont need them now.

Jeffi.Kaiser 08-23-2009 03:03 AM

Dont like them with his GL run, but with Parallax I thought they came off well :)

Lantern2814.20850 08-23-2009 05:17 AM

I liked 'em for the time.
It was clear that the silver age guys were showing their age somewhat. Hal was greying at the temples Ollie was just hitting his 50's all the Titans were hitting their twenties so It made sense that the Silver agers would look like they were in their late forties and such as "The Next Generation" started to take over.
Now that the Retro-heads are taking over Everyone gets de-aged (Iris Allen Was in her 60's as Bart's grandma and suddenly with Barry's return she's 30-35 again?!?)
Well, with all that it's just as well Hal lost the grey "burns"

TEN_RINGS 08-23-2009 07:54 AM

i didnt mind the temples and they did make parallax look awesome....but its like when he has them i want him young again and when he doesnt have them i want them again......i just hope that if i ever go grey i get those temples like hal had

Requiem 08-23-2009 06:09 PM

I remember they said that his grey temples were a result of Parallax, but didn't they give him the grey temples BEFORE Coast City got destroyed?

Colonel Xonic 08-23-2009 08:53 PM

In a GL suit... Bad. Too old looking and too... old.
Parallax, w/ cape= :D:cool:
If he still had the same face, not oldish, and they were grey-brown I'd say okay.

ion.nai 08-23-2009 11:11 PM

Loved them... no specific reason as to why. just thought it was a great change in style for the character.

Jay Burg 08-24-2009 02:55 AM

Hated it.

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Dr. Naysay 08-24-2009 06:41 AM

Batman can go through three Robins... but Green Lantern can't get a little bit older?

Brady SD 08-24-2009 06:49 AM

I thought Hal's grey going away was done in a totally cool way, especialy because it was a reboot and fit into the Rebirth storyline very well. Fear induced in him by Parallax caused him to stress out, worry, and grey prematurely. The Grey was a subtle sign that something was attacking him (Parallax) from within. I know in my life I went through some very stressful periods filled with anxiety and fear and I did get more grey hairs. But after a period of time I went back to normal living and they went away. This really happened for me!

Requiem 08-24-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Naysay (Post 226150)
Batman can go through three Robins... but Green Lantern can't get a little bit older?

I think you mean 5...but yeah, it is weird.

everflight 08-24-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Requiem (Post 226341)
I think you mean 5...but yeah, it is weird.

Dick Grayson, Jason Todd and Tim Drake...

I'll give you one more for that girl who was Robin in "The Dark Knight Returns" but who is the 5th?

Colonel Xonic 08-25-2009 12:26 AM

When he had semi-straight hair as Parallax it looked good, but the really long-ish curly stuff... no.

Lantern2814.20850 08-25-2009 12:45 AM

Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake Stephanie Brown* and now Damien Wayne

*Stephanie on her "Death-bed" asked Bruce if she was ever really Robin or if it was just a ploy to get Tim to come back Batman told her she was truly Robin for that time
Technically, Bruce only did go through four Robins as Damien didn't get the nod 'til Dick took over but the general public doesn't know Batman is now the former Nightwing

Fearless 08-25-2009 09:11 PM

I couldn't help but notice all the posts about Hal getting older-- Hal's age wasn't the reason for the gray hair. The reason was that Parallax had infected Hal before-hand, and the gray hair was a sign of fear (At least that's how Geoff explained it...)

ion.nai 08-25-2009 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fearless2814.1 (Post 226839)
I couldn't help but notice all the posts about Hal getting older-- Hal's age wasn't the reason for the gray hair. The reason was that Parallax had infected Hal before-hand, and the gray hair was a sign of fear (At least that's how Geoff explained it...)

True, but when the hair first appeared it was due to age. The gray was never added with Parallax in mind.

Fearless 08-25-2009 10:27 PM

Who cares? The whole age concept has been Geoff-conned anyway. :p

ion.nai 08-25-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fearless2814.1 (Post 226887)
Who cares? The whole age concept has been Geoff-conned anyway. :p

I love how Mr. Johns makes it his mission to rewrite the history of GL as he sees fit. Much like Parallax Hal tried to re write the history of the universe.

Colonel Xonic 08-25-2009 11:57 PM

lol Good point :p

Dr. Naysay 08-26-2009 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lantern2814.20850 (Post 226480)
Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake Stephanie Brown* and now Damien Wayne

*Stephanie on her "Death-bed" asked Bruce if she was ever really Robin or if it was just a ploy to get Tim to come back Batman told her she was truly Robin for that time
Technically, Bruce only did go through four Robins as Damien didn't get the nod 'til Dick took over but the general public doesn't know Batman is now the former Nightwing

Well I was talking about when Hal had the white hair... which was about the time Tim Drake showed up.

304 08-27-2009 09:59 PM

Johns is Parallax...good point! He is rewriting history so things "can be better"...which is subjective.

yes, Hal's grey temples were hinted at Parallax getting a foothold in his psyche...but he went grey in the 80s didn't he? Thats a long damn foothold...especially since Sinestro hadn't been in the CPB for that long to influence Parallax into getting his foothold in...

I agree though. I never was a huge GL fan, I was drifting towards Superman, in the 90s because Hal looked old enough to be my grandpa...the grey temples and the obviously older lines in his face just made him impossible for me to relate to...which is why I liked Kyle...chronilogically speaking Kyle was most likely 20 or so when he recieved the ring...which is why he seemed so immature, young looking and in awe of Superman and the League...which is also what made Kyle a fun character, cause we got to watch him grow up in all aspects.

I didn't like the grey temples in Hal, but I loved them in Parallax...made him seem wiser. Plus, did anyone notice how old he looked when he faced off against Cyborg Superman ??

Mister Ed 08-27-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 304 (Post 227955)
yes, Hal's grey temples were hinted at Parallax getting a foothold in his psyche...but he went grey in the 80s didn't he? Thats a long damn foothold...especially since Sinestro hadn't been in the CPB for that long to influence Parallax into getting his foothold in...

Actually, he had. Sinestro ended up in the CPB at the end of Vol. 2. Hal had the grey temples from the beginning of Vol. 3.

304 08-27-2009 10:09 PM

But if Hal was the Greatest Green Lantern, wouldn't it take more than the short amount of time between Vol.2 and Vol.3 to get such a grip on him? To affect the man who is suppose to "overcome great fear"?

Mister Ed 08-27-2009 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 304 (Post 227960)
But if Hal was the Greatest Green Lantern, wouldn't it take more than the short amount of time between Vol.2 and Vol.3 to get such a grip on him? To affect the man who is suppose to "overcome great fear"?

Such a grip? It turned some of his hair grey. And maybe colored his thinking a bit. It didn't get "such a grip" until Coast City was destroyed. And the whole idea was that it was a subtle effect. No matter how iron a will you have, it is difficult to bring it to bear against an enemy whose existence you are unaware of. (And bear in mind that, in Rebirth it took FAR LESS time for Parallax to get a much STRONGER grip on John, Guy, and Kilowog, with Kyle resisting due to his unique (among those GLs, anyway) ability to actually FEEL fear.)

And frankly, I don't really know how much time there was between the end of Vol. 2 and the beginning of Vol. 3. Quite a lot of stuff happened in that interval. Several months at least, I would estimate, but you know comic book time...

Mister Ed 08-27-2009 10:27 PM

Personally, I never had a problem with the grey hair, though it WAS a bit odd that Hal was the only hero of his generation who was showing any real signs of aging.

304 08-27-2009 10:32 PM

They experiemented with making the heroes older in Kingdom Come. I still didn't care for it...

I think that they should all stay in their early 30s except for the JSA, I think that their should be a mentoring affect for some of the others.

Like in WANTED when Alan Scott just commands attention from Hal, I thought that was a powerful statement.

Colonel Xonic 08-27-2009 10:47 PM

Point is Hal + Grey= Bad
Hal + Parallax + Grey= Good :D :p
KC Supes looks pretty good with the grey temples.

Trey Strain 08-27-2009 11:05 PM

My attitude about it was that you had younger Lanterns in Guy, John and later Kyle. So it was not harmful for Hal to be older, and it gave him a gravitas that I liked.

I think Geoff has kind of gone off-track. Hal has been Parallax and the Spectre, and he's possessed all the power of the Central Power Battery. I think those experiences should have aged him, and I mean that in a good way.

304 08-27-2009 11:27 PM

Some are forgetting, I think, that the reason why they did what they did with Hal and brought in Kyle was to shake things up and attract a younger audience...they needed big events *i.e. Death Of Superman, Emerald Twilight, Broken Bat* to boost sales and they needed to attract younger readers.

They did it with Batman by giving Robin is own book and making a new, edgier Batman

They did it with Superman by bringing in the Supermen and Superboy

and they did it with GL by bringing in Kyle.

Point is...to have Hal come back as in his 40s again, that would've destroyed the point of the past 10 years of GL comics...attract younger readers.

everflight 08-28-2009 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lantern2814.20850 (Post 226480)
Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake Stephanie Brown* and now Damien Wayne

*Stephanie on her "Death-bed" asked Bruce if she was ever really Robin or if it was just a ploy to get Tim to come back Batman told her she was truly Robin for that time
Technically, Bruce only did go through four Robins as Damien didn't get the nod 'til Dick took over but the general public doesn't know Batman is now the former Nightwing



Don't know why I wasn't thinking about Damien, guess I was stuck on Bruce's Robins

twoeightonefour 09-27-2009 06:21 AM

I didn't mind them but felt they only worked if he age progressed along with the other Silver Age heroes. I didn't like them when you saw Batman, Wonder Woman or Superman looking like they are in the late 20s. One thing I loved about GL is the history to it so I wouldn't mind a Grey templed Hal and a Salt/Peppered John to show the history and progression along with Guy and Kyle but it just doesn't work when you tie him to other heroes. I'm glad they are gone.

Limelantern 09-27-2009 03:57 PM

That was my complaint

Hal got older, but Superman, Wonderwoman, Batman, and the rest of the DCU stayed young.

Michael Heide 09-30-2009 11:54 AM

I never had a problem with Reed Richards' gray temples. He doesn't seem extremely old to me, just... hmm... distinguished. I got to know Green Lantern as a concept during the "Hal had gray temples" era, so that's how it stuck with me. I'm not angry they're gone, but if they had stayed, that would have been okay with me.

Sylent_Asassin 10-01-2009 06:58 PM

Hal's grey temples was good for the story at the time (Emerald Twilight) and the Parallax infestation explanation was feasible. As mentioned by a few others, if the rest of the DCU aged with him, fine but you can't have an aged Hal while everyone else stays the same. As of now, I like Hal without the grey. Besides, I associate the grey temples with mad, power-hungry villains like Vandal Savage and Ra's Al Ghul.

jGLZa 11-09-2009 07:43 PM

if its true that Hal got is grey temples from Parallax or that Parallax just added abit more grey, then I think its good that he still has it.

Wait for it nw, here I go reading too much into a situation:
its kinda fair to say that Parallax was a bad guy, so mayb the grey temples remaining are a permanent reminder to Hal of all the bad things he did as Parallax and how he gave into his own fears.

but I reckon the grey has in fact gotten smaller since Rebirth.


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