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Booster Beetle 06-06-2014 03:09 PM

JL Draft finals Fearless vs Rufus
When the heroes we once put our faith in fall away, those who once trained under them, who looked up to them, must step up and succeed them. They will be tested, and when threats emerge that no single hero can face alone, they must band together. To not let the inspiration of those they once held aloft disappear, and to save the Earth, they must become...

  • Batman (Dick Grayson)
  • Wonder Woman (Donna Troy)
  • Superman (The Eradicator)
  • Nightwing (Kara Zor-L)
  • Supernova (Michael Jon Carter)
  • Red Robin (Jason Todd)
  • Doctor Fate (Lori Zechlin)

Rufus: Justice League of Time-Travellers

From the 853rd Century: Kal Kent, Superman

From 2049: Terry McGinnis, Batman

From 1944: Hippolyta, Wonder Woman

From the 58th Century: Pol Manning, Green Lantern

From the 31st Century: Bart Allen, Flash

From the 25th Century: Booster Gold (Pre New 52)

From 1996: Brainiac 5

Booster Beetle 06-06-2014 03:10 PM


Michael Heide 06-06-2014 03:25 PM

Go, time-travellers!

Mister Ed 06-06-2014 03:26 PM

Yikes, reading up on Lori Zechlin, she sounds like a mess. Not somebody I would want anywhere near League membership. Very interesting character, but in the Justice League?

Fearless 06-06-2014 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Mister Ed (Post 844448)
Yikes, reading up on Lori Zechlin, she sounds like a mess. Not somebody I would want anywhere near League membership. Very interesting character, but in the Justice League?

That's why I chose the iteration I did. It's her at her most altruistic. Not to mention she is insanely powerful, able to mimic any magical being's power set, but you're not wrong, Ed. She is deeply troubled. I chose her primarily because, re-reading Detective Chimp's brief stint as Doctor Fate, his observational instinct was sent into overdrive by the power of the Helmet of Fate; that is he was too distracted by solving meaningless mysteries to be of any real use to anybody. This revelation on his part led to him relinquishing the Helmet of Fate, where it eventually found Black Alice.

I'm not saying the choice is any better, but in terms of a League that exercises its power, not just a League for show, she was the superior choice, troubles aside.

Fearless 06-06-2014 03:53 PM

And, once again...


Originally Posted by fearless2814.1 (Post 842502)
Not for nothing, but when has time travel ever proven consistently helpful without it blowing up in the collective faces of those involved?

Just sayin'...


Originally Posted by fearless2814.1 (Post 842998)
I reiterate, when has time travel ever ended well in the long run for anybody involved? Mark my words, that team implodes before the closure of its first major conflict.

Mister Ed 06-06-2014 03:54 PM

Fair enough.

I'm a bit torn. Fearless's team seems more like one that could make an actual JL comic, and has some great choices and an interesting premise (though I still think Black Alice is a weak spot, if an interesting one).

On the other hand, I like time travel a LOT as a theme, and like pretty much all the characters on that team, but have a harder time picturing all of them coming together (though, like my own team, it is certainly more than plausible as part of a one-off story, so there is that).

I'm holding off for a bit...

Mister Ed 06-06-2014 03:57 PM

I do feel like we got really got some great choices for the final, though. Sometimes, by the time we get to the final, the teams that got through are ones I didn't like much, so it is hard to care who wins.

Michael Heide 06-06-2014 05:27 PM

Let me put it this way:


  • Batman (Dick Grayson)
  • Wonder Woman (Donna Troy)
  • Superman (The Eradicator)
  • Nightwing (Kara Zor-L)
  • Supernova (Michael Jon Carter)
  • Red Robin (Jason Todd)
  • Doctor Fate (Lori Zechlin)

I tried a similar "Next Generation" theme. The same way Fearless hurt my roster, I hurt his. Batman and Donna are great choices (and had he not picked them, I would have), but there are better Superman replacements than Eradicator. Superboy (pre Flashpoint), Supergirl (Matrix, Linda Danvers, the one from Loeb and Turner's storyline, the one from the New 52), one of the Superman robots, or any of the future Supermen between right now and One Million. Also, there were better Doctor Fates. Inza Nelson, Jared Stevens, Hector Hall... Why pick Lori when those three are available?
As for the rest, Nightwing, Red Robin, both identities of a guy who has already made this team, aren't standard Justice League members one would have to replace. Not when there are tons of Green Lanterns and Flashes (or Kid Flashes or Max Mercuries or Impulses or whatever) to choose from. Supernova was a cool storyline, but Supernova isn't exactly a Justice League stalwart member one would have to find a replacement for if the Justice League were to disappear.
If "Next Generation" isn't your theme as much as just "replacements", I would have picked Steel, Azrael, Donna Troy, John Stewart, Jesse Quick, Kingdom Come Tempest and Jemm, Son of Saturn.


  • Kal Kent, Superman
  • Terry McGinnis, Batman
  • Hippolyta, Wonder Woman
  • Pol Manning, Green Lantern
  • Bart Allen, Flash
  • Booster Gold
  • Brainiac 5

Again, I would prefer a clean "Big 7" lineup with time-displaced analogues of Aquaman and Martian Manhunter instead of Booster and Brainiac 5. But outside of One Million, I can't think of many. That being said, Kal Kent and Terry McGinnis are great picks. Pol Manning AKA Hal Jordan is cool. I think that John Fox is a better Flash than Bart, but both are from the future, so I'm okay with that. Hippolyta is the only one who hasn't travelled from the future to the present, but from the present to the past. So she sticks out a bit. And Brainiac just isn't League material and probably just made the list to fit the "one character who hasn't been a Justice Leaguer in any continuity" requirement.

I like both themes, but I think that Rufus has executed his theme a bit better. Also, I think that Rufus' team would be more exciting to write or read.

Sylent_Asassin 06-06-2014 05:48 PM

I really like both teams, however I'm leaning towards the Time Travel theme. Eradicator doesn't make for a very good Superman, at least from what I remember about him. Before I vote, I'll look forward to some more closing arguments.

Michael Heide 06-06-2014 07:12 PM

Okay. I'm Rufus. My argument is above. :)

Fearless 06-07-2014 02:47 PM

I suspected...

Michael Heide 06-07-2014 04:26 PM

Well, who else was it going to be? ;)

Fearless 06-07-2014 05:08 PM

Yeah, I figured as much. My first thought upon seeing Rufus' team was, "Why didn't Heide do this?"

Michael Heide 06-07-2014 05:40 PM

Interestingly enough, this was only my third team. I entered it at the last moment because Booster needed another contestant.

Mister Ed 06-07-2014 11:20 PM

I still wasn't sure but I hate to see a runaway victory when I think both teams are good, so Time Travelers it is.

Michael Heide 06-08-2014 06:42 AM

Merci beaucoup.

Fearless 06-11-2014 05:20 PM

I... I won? :eek:

Mister Ed 06-11-2014 05:38 PM

Congrats! At least I lost to the winner, right? ;)

kazzar 06-11-2014 05:42 PM

Congrats, dude. Both were good teams.

Sylent_Asassin 06-11-2014 05:44 PM

"What the Heck"?!? I'd like to know who that is.

Congrats, Fearless!

Fearless 06-11-2014 05:46 PM

This is my first draft win. I... I'm kind of in shock. Hats-off to Michael Heide, though. It was a close call. Good game. :)

Michael Heide 06-11-2014 08:09 PM

Congrats. Great minds think alike.

Fearless 06-11-2014 10:36 PM

Indeed, sir. Indeed. ;)

W.West 06-12-2014 02:08 AM

I think we can all agree that this one doesn't count right? :p

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