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SomeDude 07-21-2015 12:23 AM

Thoughts on Vendetti
 
I've meant to post this for a while but I've never gotten around to it.

All this to say that I have mixed feelings about Vendetti's run on Green Lantern. Here are some thoughts in no particular order:

1) He abandoned the Geoff Johns' edict that only beings with incredible will could even get the ring to work, what with the Durlan Green Lantern imposters being able to operate the rings. They shouldn't have been able to get them to so much as light up.
2) Having said that, in the very same issue (GL #31) I liked the bit about Hal "willing" the Durlans to death, as even to get the ring to protect them from the rigors of space was a function of their will.
3) I've been bored by Vendetti's issues nonstop for months at a time.
4) The dialogue with Sinestro in GL #36 was awesome, especially the part about Hal being too unpredictable for Sinestro and the only reason he kept beating his smarter and better scheming foe. I also liked how that issue reinforced Hal's renegade personality and in a single issue developed Hal's character far more than Johns did in the latter half of his GL run.
5) Overall character development for Hal picked up recently by Vendetti, even though at the start of Vendetti's run it stalled miserably.
6) The "rebel Hal with the power glove run" is intriguing and a breath of fresh air, which has, at least temporarily, killed my boredom with Vendetti's GL.
7) I think the whole emotional reservoir is nothing more than a gimmick and really seems to serve no purpose as it gets forgotten for issues at a time and feels ripe for abandonment. What happens when the reservoir runs out? Beings across the universe stop having feelings? Silliness.
8) The Durlan run was boring except for the origin of the Durlans, which was pretty interesting.
9) The lights out run as boring except for the origin of Relic.
10) Godhead was slightly better, but still didn't inspire me.
11) I get the feeling that Vendetti didn't read enough back issues before taking on the GL assignment, because he seems to lack respect for continuity (see point 1 above)
12) What's with the "power batteries have to be recharged from the central power battery" bit that was alluded to in GL #21 before being quickly abandoned?

So, yeah, all in all I have mixed feelings about Vendetti's GL run but things seem to have improved of late.

CeltiC5-27 07-21-2015 08:03 AM

I think he's improved since he first started but I'd take back Geoff Johns in a heartbeat. Since he started, he has seemed too keen on making drastic changes to GL mythos. I get he's trying new things but I rather him not try so hard to change everything. Rouge Hal is an interesting concept but I much rather see him go on adventures as a Green Lantern. Not leading the corps or being a fugitive.

Trey Strain 07-21-2015 12:55 PM

Anybody who takes over a title and doesn't bother to read anything more than the previous writer's run will almost surely screw it up. I don't know whether laziness or egotism is the cause of that, but it's a big and widespread problem. Another thing is that when you write a long-established title, you need to work with a scalpel, not a machete. If you don't, then once again either conceit or indolence is your issue.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker 07-21-2015 02:31 PM

I've always learned towards writers who were a fan of a franchise long before they got it as an assignment. I think Vendetti is fine as a writer, just that maybe this wasn't the right book for him. And that GL should have had a different writer.

That said, I do think he has improved on GL and his stories have become more interesting. IMO pairing him up with a better artist would make a huge difference; it's hard for me to appreciate the writing that is happening when it's all I can do to not look away from the ugly artwork every panel.

Space Cop 07-21-2015 02:44 PM

GL in particular might be a book where this is even more important since it has such a large cast of characters and cosmic scope.

Trey Strain 07-21-2015 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Space Cop (Post 902893)
GL in particular might be a book where this is even more important since it has such a large cast of characters and cosmic scope.

That's where the thing of "It's all about Harold" becomes so debilitating. That and "Guy is all about anger" and "Kyle is oh-so special somehow but we just can't figure out how" and "We don't know what in the fuck to do with John."

Mister.Weirdo 07-21-2015 09:41 PM

At first I really didn't like Vendetti's writing, I thought he was basically trying to dump all over Johns previous run, and that he really wasn't a true GL fan (which he wasn't). However Vendetti has grown me on a little, with some of his recent issues, I think his concepts while a little clunkily executed, are fine in terms of ideas. Overall, I'd say he's alright, but yeah, a better artist definitely helps.

Space Cop 07-21-2015 09:48 PM

^I've noticed that most of the complaints here have shifted away from the writing and to the art.

Mister.Weirdo 07-21-2015 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Space Cop (Post 902946)
^I've noticed that most of the complaints here have shifted away from the writing and to the art.

Well Billy Tan's art was so unusually unappealing to me, that any other artist would satisfy, as long as they didn't draw the characters like stick-figures or something. :spritz:

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker 07-22-2015 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Space Cop (Post 902946)
^I've noticed that most of the complaints here have shifted away from the writing and to the art.

That's where I'm at right now. The stories are serviceable enough, but the art detracts from that. If Ivan Reis was drawing it, half of us would be fooled into thinking the writing was amazing. That's how important the art is in putting the stories over.

CeltiC5-27 07-22-2015 10:56 AM

I don't think Billy Tan is a terrible artist, I actually think he does a great job drawing aliens, but he can't draw Hal Jordan for shit. Can I say shit here? Anyway and that's a big problem when the artist can't draw the lead character very well. I'm so excited we're getting Ethan Van Sciver back for an issue! I don't know what he's up to these days but I would love to see him come back to Green Lantern.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI2ZyeCXAAAkqnn.jpg

Space Cop 07-22-2015 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CeltiC5-27 (Post 902973)
I don't think Billy Tan is a terrible artist, I actually think he does a great job drawing aliens, but he can't draw Hal Jordan for shit. Can I say shit here? Anyway and that's a big problem when the artist can't draw the lead character very well. I'm so excited we're getting Ethan Van Sciver back for an issue! I don't know what he's up to these days but I would love to see him come back to Green Lantern.

Yeah, I think you're right. The action is conveyed well too.

And yes, people curse here. Basically, the only thing you're not supposed to post are nude pics, personal attacks, or direct links to pirated material. [FYI: I say this as a longtime member, not a mod.]

Trey Strain 08-02-2015 02:17 AM

Hal "The Crow" Jordan...

weareborg 08-08-2015 04:56 PM

I gave this 4 stars, but I'll admit it could be Stockholm syndrome. I think the main thing for me is Hal is finally the star of his own book again. It may also be Hal actually having a power set again. The green lantern rings have been so depowered, it's cool seeing the ' most powerful' weapon in the universe powerful again and can only be used by someone with extraordinary will power.

Rotten2thecorps 08-10-2015 11:18 AM

I like that the space suit has the Parallax design on the chest. If I am not mistaken isn't that helmet look a little Legion-ish? Ethan is a great artsit.

That being said Venditti is bad for Green Lantern. It's just that simple. I can't believe he is still on this book. Hey that's DC for you.

Space Cop 08-10-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rotten2thecorps (Post 904657)
I like that the space suit has the Parallax design on the chest. If I am not mistaken isn't that helmet look a little Legion-ish? Ethan is a great artsit...

When I read that bit, I was just thinking that it must be annoying making sure his hair is fully in the helmet and not at all hanging over the seal when he puts it on.

BLACK HAND 04-01-2016 07:36 PM

I like his writing way more for X-O and Valiant.

Andrew NDB 04-01-2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeDude (Post 902843)
1) He abandoned the Geoff Johns' edict that only beings with incredible will could even get the ring to work

But that was always bullshit. His making the operation of the rings like passing a kidney stone doesn't make any sense with moments like... Guy Gardner goofing around making funny constructs.

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7) I think the whole emotional reservoir is nothing more than a gimmick and really seems to serve no purpose as it gets forgotten for issues at a time and feels ripe for abandonment. What happens when the reservoir runs out? Beings across the universe stop having feelings? Silliness.
I think it's no less cool or dumb than the introduction of the emotional entities themselves.

myuserid 04-03-2016 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 923347)
I think it's no less cool or dumb than the introduction of the emotional entities themselves.

Agreed. That Rainbow Brite Brigade is one of the dumbest ideas ever.

And hearing Geoff Johns fans complain about a writer throwing out years of history is hilarious to me.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker 04-03-2016 03:55 AM

I really want a writer and editor to come along and throw out 60% of Johns' contributions. An old school writer that new fans despise. Hire John Byrne to just come in for a year and scorch the fucking Earth. Can you imagine?

It would be hilarious and SO worth it to see all of the teeth gnashing that would ensue.

Kane2814 04-08-2016 11:08 PM

I disliked Vendetti enough to drop the book for awhile when he had Hal as the GLC leader. I came back, but I still don't like him. He seems to have good ideas for stories, but the execution sucks. There's no real drama, no believable character development, and his stories fail to live up to the ideas. From Hal leading the GLC, to Godhead, to the Renegade arc, Black Hand at the Wall, to Parallax coming back, these are all potentially exciting stories, but they just weren't.

CeltiC5-27 04-15-2016 10:31 PM

Venditti has written 30 issues of Green Lantern and none of his story arcs have really been that good to me. I know people here like to hate Geoff Johns but his worst GL story arc is still way better than anything Venditti has done yet IMO.

Ethan Van Sciver drew some of Johns best GL stories so I'm hoping he's helping Venditti with his Rebirth stories, and I think having the Sinestro Corps back as the main antagonist for Hal Jordan & The GLC is a step in the right direction.

Hypo 04-16-2016 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CeltiC5-27 (Post 924266)
Ethan Van Sciver drew some of Johns best GL stories so I'm hoping he's helping Venditti with his Rebirth stories

How would that make them better? It's not like Firestorm was an amazing read or anything.

KilowogsDisciple 04-16-2016 03:03 PM

Thoughts on Vendetti: he made Green Lantern boring as hell, but is doing pretty damn good on the Flash.

I cancelled my subscription to GL main title with this (insufferably dull) issue, #51. I couldn't even finish it, I was completely apathetic. Really poor crap imo.


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