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Andrew NDB 12-17-2014 09:49 PM

Will Kyle ever get revenge on Sinestro for his mother's death?
 
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In the debut special of the Sinestro Corps War, after ripping out the Ion entity from Kyle and stripping him of his powers, Sinestro famously revealed to Kyle that he was responsible -- via his Sinestro Corps member Despotellis -- for the murdering of Kyle Rayner's mother. This plot thread seemed to get swept under the rug even by the end of the event, where Kyle is all smiles when he gets a Green Lantern ring and barely even angry at Sinestro as he double-teams him with Hal (in fact, Hal seems angrier at Sinestro than Kyle here, and Sinestro didn't even do anything to Hal).

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Later on Kyle would fight Sinestro... but not for any particular reason, and not so much as a word was mentioned about Sinestro killing his mother. Not one. And at the end of the fight, Kyle would get punked by him. Again.

When is Kyle ever going to get his revenge, or at least some measure of justice for his mother's death? I'd have been fascinated, with both Kyle and Sinestro possessing their own books right now, to see a 2 issue crossover just between those books to finally bury the hatchet.

I'm not saying one of them has to die, but it needs to be fucking addressed.

Personally, I believe that when Geoff decided he want to conveniently forget about all the other horrible, horrible things Sinestro has done (including, I don't know, the wiping out of whole space sectors and the trillions of lives therein during the 80s) and wanted to try and redeem him to some degree for some reason, things he'd written like Sinestro killing out a major GL's mother might run in the face of that... so the mandate became: "Don't mention it again."


*Note: For those who doubt whether Sinestro killing Kyle's mom is even in canon anymore, while the actual death of his mother occurred at the end of the Ion maxi-series, the big reveal that Sinestro was her killer happened in Sinestro Corps War Part One, literally Issue #1 of the never-ending event that didn't conclude until War of the Green Lanterns (or whatever Geoff's last event was... they all blur together)... written by Geoff Johns. And it's treated as the very reason that Sinestro is even able to put Parallax into Kyle -- without the mother revelation, Kyle would have resisted fear.

CaptainFrxz 12-17-2014 10:14 PM

I picked might not be canon anymore because i guess something got lost during the reboot.
But it might show up again just like Sodam Yat did,everyone thought he was dead and then boom back again.

Andrew NDB 12-17-2014 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainFrxz (Post 875341)
But it might show up again just like Sodam Yat did,everyone thought he was dead and then boom back again.

Why would anyone think that? I thought the last time we saw Sodam before he turned up on Daxam a couple months ago was a couple years ago, when he was being led away into space by that new villain guy Tomasi created but never really got to finish up with? Mind-controlled? Did I imagine that?

Space Cop 12-17-2014 10:22 PM

I said maybe.

He definitely won't be killing Thaal, but if it suits a future story, they might dig up the handing thread.

BTW: this unfinished business has been noted on here from time to time.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker 12-18-2014 01:39 AM

Ancient history. They I'm sure at some point some writer will have Kyle's mom show up as if it never happened, and she'll be a completely different character.

Noct 12-18-2014 03:47 AM

I blame Geoffnestro for this canon mess.

IonFan 12-18-2014 04:58 AM

no, if it hasn't happened by now it'll never happen

Andrew NDB 12-19-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Dave (Post 875390)
Ancient history. They I'm sure at some point some writer will have Kyle's mom show up as if it never happened, and she'll be a completely different character.

That's exactly what they did with Kyle's dad. How lame would it be if they did that to his mom, too?

Mister Ed 12-19-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 875618)
That's exactly what they did with Kyle's dad. How lame would it be if they did that to his mom, too?

Lame? Sure. But the precedent is there! :D

Ωmega Man 12-19-2014 05:55 PM

Read my fanfic Andrew, Rise of the Dark Lantern had Kyle go after Sinestro in the pre New52 universe to follow through on Sinestro's original death sentence despite the treaty with the Sin Corps. Within the seven chapter story I brought in that eras JLoA with Grayson as Batman, Alan Scott showed up, as well as Donna and Jade (both were in the League), and Parallax and Oblivion. I was quite proud of the story and I've pondered writing a New52 version but there's no way it'd be as fun to write or make sense.

I'd say Kyle's mom, Effigy, and Nero are all alive in the New52. Or they should be.

~KL~

Sylent_Asassin 12-19-2014 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Dave (Post 875390)
Ancient history. They I'm sure at some point some writer will have Kyle's mom show up as if it never happened, and she'll be a completely different character.

They could have her show up and say that her death was a ruse perpetrated by Sinestro to weaken Kyle's will so that he would succumb to Parallax's influence.

Most likely, whoever is doing the writing will probably pretend that it never happened, and not even metion Kyle's mom again.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker 12-19-2014 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 875618)
That's exactly what they did with Kyle's dad. How lame would it be if they did that to his mom, too?

You'll be fortunate if the next time Kyle's parents make an appearance it isn't in a story where they are retconned as both alive and well with a long happy marriage, and raised Kyle together.

Just in time to have a villain shockingly kill both of them to give Kyle some kewl angst.

Mister Ed 12-19-2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Dave (Post 875677)
You'll be fortunate if the next time Kyle's parents make an appearance it isn't in a story where they are retconned as both alive and well with a long happy marriage, and raised Kyle together.

Just in time to have a villain shockingly kill both of them to give Kyle some kewl angst.

I was about to comment on how likely it is for ANYBODY to be alive and in a long, happy marriage in the DCnU, but then I saw you were projecting they'd get killed immediately. That sounds about right for the current philosophy. ;)

CaptainFrxz 12-19-2014 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 875343)
Why would anyone think that? I thought the last time we saw Sodam before he turned up on Daxam a couple months ago was a couple years ago, when he was being led away into space by that new villain guy Tomasi created but never really got to finish up with? Mind-controlled? Did I imagine that?

He was mind-controlled yes then he came back.
But he was gone for so long it seemed like the writser killed him off behind the scenes.
Emerald Warriors was awesome i miss that book.

Andrew NDB 02-12-2015 07:35 AM

Maybe now?

Trey Strain 02-12-2015 09:19 AM

How about that chick who literally stabbed Kyle in the back?

Space Cop 02-12-2015 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spy Smasher (Post 883261)
How about that chick who literally stabbed Kyle in the back?

I don't remember that. Did he know her?

Trey Strain 02-12-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Space Cop (Post 883280)
I don't remember that. Did he know her?

I don't remember much about it but it was in one of Ben Raab's stories and I don't think it was ever resolved.

Trey Strain 02-12-2015 05:13 PM

Here it is.

http://www.comicvine.com/green-lante...ve/4000-96658/

Andrew NDB 02-12-2015 05:20 PM

Lianna? Yeah, she vanished. Turned up in... one of those group cosmic comics for a while though.

Tarmode 02-12-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 875327)
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/...rylines22a.jpg

In the debut special of the Sinestro Corps War, after ripping out the Ion entity from Kyle and stripping him of his powers, Sinestro famously revealed to Kyle that he was responsible -- via his Sinestro Corps member Despotellis -- for the murdering of Kyle Rayner's mother. This plot thread seemed to get swept under the rug even by the end of the event, where Kyle is all smiles when he gets a Green Lantern ring and barely even angry at Sinestro as he double-teams him with Hal (in fact, Hal seems angrier at Sinestro than Kyle here, and Sinestro didn't even do anything to Hal).

http://m0vie.files.wordpress.com/201...heweaponer.jpg

Later on Kyle would fight Sinestro... but not for any particular reason, and not so much as a word was mentioned about Sinestro killing his mother. Not one. And at the end of the fight, Kyle would get punked by him. Again.

When is Kyle ever going to get his revenge, or at least some measure of justice for his mother's death? I'd have been fascinated, with both Kyle and Sinestro possessing their own books right now, to see a 2 issue crossover just between those books to finally bury the hatchet.

I'm not saying one of them has to die, but it needs to be fucking addressed.

Personally, I believe that when Geoff decided he want to conveniently forget about all the other horrible, horrible things Sinestro has done (including, I don't know, the wiping out of whole space sectors and the trillions of lives therein during the 80s) and wanted to try and redeem him to some degree for some reason, things he'd written like Sinestro killing out a major GL's mother might run in the face of that... so the mandate became: "Don't mention it again."


*Note: For those who doubt whether Sinestro killing Kyle's mom is even in canon anymore, while the actual death of his mother occurred at the end of the Ion maxi-series, the big reveal that Sinestro was her killer happened in Sinestro Corps War Part One, literally Issue #1 of the never-ending event that didn't conclude until War of the Green Lanterns (or whatever Geoff's last event was... they all blur together)... written by Geoff Johns. And it's treated as the very reason that Sinestro is even able to put Parallax into Kyle -- without the mother revelation, Kyle would have resisted fear.


They do need to address that, maybe in the future, Kyle could show up, whip Sinestro's behind, and throw it in Soranik's face (don't like the direction her character has taken, and she should get her ring taken away if she keeps hanging with Sinestro, but that's another story.) They also need to address the whole Bueno Excellente thing, and if I was Kyle, I would hate for Sinestro to get ahold of that information.

Big Daddy Dave Skywalker 02-12-2015 06:01 PM

Maybe they decided not to revisit that storyline after deciding the longterm goal for Kyle was to be an omnipotent hero. If he was going to be the carrier of the white light, harbinger of life, healer, giver of all that is good and awesome, bearer of goodness, titles, titles, titles...it would be very unseemly for him to go on a quest to get vengeance on Sinestro for murdering his mother. Even bringing him to justice on SOME level goes against where Kyle was heading (AND for where Sinestro was heading for that matter).

In retrospect, it comes off like Geoff Johns wrote it because it seemed badass at the time...then he immediately regretted it once the issue hit the stands. I think he writes stuff he regrets all the time, and doesn't think things through.

Trey Strain 02-12-2015 09:29 PM

And then came the depiction of Sinestro ad "the greatest Green Lantern."

On a related note, I hate it when writers tells me which characters are "greater" than the others. Don't tell me about it, guys. Show me. And don't tell me that overcoming fear = greatness, or that will power = greatness.

Mister Ed 02-12-2015 09:33 PM

Well, in the case of Sinestro, we also got him showing it, by having Sinestro constantly show Hal up like the Mary Sue he was.

Andrew NDB 02-12-2015 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Davos (Post 883424)
Maybe they decided not to revisit that storyline after deciding the longterm goal for Kyle was to be an omnipotent hero. If he was going to be the carrier of the white light, harbinger of life, healer, giver of all that is good and awesome, bearer of goodness, titles, titles, titles...it would be very unseemly for him to go on a quest to get vengeance on Sinestro for murdering his mother. Even bringing him to justice on SOME level goes against where Kyle was heading (AND for where Sinestro was heading for that matter).

Well, they could have still addressed it without doing a whole revenge plot. Maybe he masters the White and seeks out Sinestro... and "forgives" him.

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In retrospect, it comes off like Geoff Johns wrote it because it seemed badass at the time...then he immediately regretted it once the issue hit the stands. I think he writes stuff he regrets all the time, and doesn't think things through.
I bet this is absolutely what happened.


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