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  • So you want to do away with the iconic origin of Hal meeting Abin Sur, and Abin passing his ring and lantern to him in his dying moments? All to trade in for what, four humans getting rings simulteously in a boring generic fashion? The most memorable super heroes are the ones with great origins. Batman, Superman, Spiderman and Flash all have memorable origins. And the ONLY two GLs that have origins that are the least bit interesting are Alan and Hal. Why you would want to cripple the interest level to a franchise right out of the gate only speaks to your weird desire to see four human GLs start out at the same time in some strange socialist experiment where they are all generically the same at the beginning. I suspect your only real reason for that is your love of Guy Gardner and the hopes that if you strip away anything cool about the other three than Guy would stand out by virtue of his colorful personality.

    I'm not even opposed to some changes to the story in a movie for the sake of making it work. For example, the killer of Abin SHOULD be the villain, just not Sinestro. Maybe the Manhunters could be a tool of Sinestro instead of the Qwardians. Or whatever. I just think your ideas are bad. Hal not having Abin's ring to me is almost sucking the cool out of the mythos intentionally.

    I think this idea if doing Lethal Weapon in space as a buddy cop movie with Hal and John teaming up is fantastic, and I hope it turns out much better than the 2011 movie. Just move on and not do another origin movie. Perhaps do a recap set to music in the opening credits like they did in the Hulk reboot movie and move on with the story.

    You can make changes to a movie, but there's no reason to reboot the comic. All of the problems can be done away with the stroke of a pen without burning everything down.

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    • It's a business. It's about making a profit. It's not about producing something that lets a few fanboys who have long aged out of the target market check off all the boxes on their long and yellowing list of demands.

      A handful of fanboys on a message board can't even support an ongoing comic book, let alone a movie. A dollar spent with passion isn't worth more than several dollars spent dispassionately. That's what fanboys don't get.

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      • Yes, test pilots are on the way out. Hal needs a new profession.

        http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/07/tech...ers/index.html

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        • Uh, oh! Maybe race car drivers will be on the way out soon, too!

          https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fut...ace-car-future

          (Just out of curiosity, why did you link that particular article? It said nothing about test pilots, and seemed to be making the point that while the technology to replace commercial pilots with automation is on the near horizon, public perception is going to be a major barrier to that.)
          Mister Ed
          Horse of a Different Color
          Last edited by Mister Ed; 08-07-2017, 10:13 PM.

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          • From what I can find, the issue isn't really that test pilots are going to disappear (it seems like they actually aren't, though they need less of them, and the job is a LOT safer now than it used to be) but that it is no longer a high-profile, glamorous profession that captures the public imagination like it used to. It no longer serves so effectively as shorthand for the type of character that Green Lantern is supposed to be.

            I'm not sure race car driver really captures the same sense of fearlessness that test pilot did when Hal's character was created, but I think you would be right to point out that TEST PILOT no longer projects that same sense, either. I wouldn't really object that much to a change of his profession to race car driver, especially since GL's "day job" USUALLY ends up being window dressing, anyway.

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            • Originally posted by Trey Strain View Post
              Yes, test pilots are on the way out. Hal needs a new profession.

              http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/07/tech...ers/index.html
              I've mentioned this before, but you seem to not believe me or not care.

              (1) Hal hasn't been shown at his day job literally in years at this point.

              (2) When he last did have an Earth job, it was as an Air Force Pilot (which still exists).

              (3) I don't think he has that job either anymore because the last time he went to earth he mentioned not having anything left there including an apartment. Now, in the New 52 it had been mentioned that he worked for Ferris between his first and second enlistments, but as far as I can tell Hal has not been shown punching the clock as a test pilot since the 90s. It is not his job. So, you may as well cite articles about why Jason Todd shouldn't be Robin.

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              • Yes, Hal needs another profession. But Ferris doesn't need to be flushed. In a reboot they could be, for example, a racing company.

                The other alternative is to reboot the DCU so that it becomes a period piece, set before the explosion of computer technology.

                But something's got to give.

                https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...utomation-jobs

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                • I don't know if anyone else agrees with this or maybe this is the way it already is, but I always kind of hoped the power rings were made more powerful, like to the point where if a users will is strong enough it can alter aspects of reality in startling ways. I would not really leave anything out of the realm of possibility when it came to the power rings; time travel, dimensional hoping, teleportation, shrinking the user down to the quantum level; the ring is only limited by will and imagination. I think the comic would take on a structure more like the Marvel's Ultimate series where the Lanterns only dealt with threats so unimaginably huge and daunting that only something as powerful as the Green Lantern ring can deal with it; potentially universe shattering threats. The title would be more of a deep dive into science fiction with snippets of science reality thrown in, and really go crazy exploring some of the meta-physical and allegorical elements of the DC cosmos. Really take the gloves off and make GL a needed cornerstone of the universe.
                  http://cropsycrypt.blogspot.com/

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                  • Well in the Silver Age the ring had those kind of crazy capabilities, but they didn't really capitalize on them. They would have a single story where Hal would do something seriously crazy with the ring, then never use that ability again, and he'd go back to rounding up bank robbers and stuff between the super villains.

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                    • Originally posted by Mister Ed View Post
                      Well in the Silver Age the ring had those kind of crazy capabilities, but they didn't really capitalize on them. They would have a single story where Hal would do something seriously crazy with the ring, then never use that ability again, and he'd go back to rounding up bank robbers and stuff between the super villains.
                      It's true. I think one time he used it to read someone's mind, but then that never came up again even though it would be really helpful. Ditto time traveling, walking through walls, altering his appearance, etc.

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                      • He turned himself into an envelope once and had Tom mail him to the bad guys' hideout. (I didn't actually remember that one, but it came up in a search for some of the craziest things the ring has done. I'm curious under what circumstances that would be better than just a normal attack, since he obviously knew where they were if he was mailed there. EDIT: Apparently he didn't know where they were. They were some kind of spies and he turned himself into a letter which they then stole for some reason.)

                        Heck, he ACCIDENTALLY turned Tom into a SEAGULL once, because his dreaming mind controlled the ring.
                        Mister Ed
                        Horse of a Different Color
                        Last edited by Mister Ed; 11-14-2017, 11:44 PM.

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                        • ^I like the seagull one. It's probably not logical that a will-powered ring should work from a subconscious/unconscious thought, but it was fun.

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                          • Didn't he use the ring to "de-evolve" somebody once? Or maybe they had been "de-evolved" and he used the ring to evolve them?

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                            • ^That sounds familiar, but I don't remember the specifics.

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                              • "Power creep" is a pervasive phenomenon in comics. Fans claim that greater power will spur the writers to more imaginative efforts, and the comics companies oblige them by making the protagonists more powerful.

                                But in fact just the opposite happens. The stories then become less imaginative.

                                When a character has LESS power, a writer needs to use more imagination to have him win his conflicts.

                                And the whole universe doesn't need to be threatened three or four times a year. We've seen that too many times now. It's old.

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