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  • Can One Man Lead the GLC?

    Under John's watch the GLC has slowly been crippled as far as numbers go. To the point he's aligned himself with the remains of the Sinestro Corps currently being lead by Soranik Natu [daughter of Sinestro and former GL]. There's plenty of reasons why this doesn't make sense, namely the fact the majority of the Sinestros attacked Earth. I'd offer Natu her GL ring back and maybe one or two redeemable Yellow Lanterns... but not any large number of them. Do the remaining Green Lanterns even have enough numbers to evenly pick up the slack? I mean, if there's 600 GLs do they each now protect 6 sectors each?

    To get to the point, is John Stewart capable of running the entire GLC? Is any one man really up to the task? Even Hal's run as 'leader' had it's problems.

    In the absence of the Guardians of the Universe I think a better solution would be a Lantern Council made up of senior ranking GL's who made decisions based on votes. John could still be among them and maybe include Salaak [for being the Guardians right hand], and Protocol Officer], Kilowog [for being Chief Instructor], Stel [also for being an Instructor], Natu [if/when she becomes a GL again for her medical background and feats], Torquemada [for his knowledge on the alien supernatural], Tomar Tu [if he's still the keeper of the Book of Oa, I think that may be Salaak now though], and Green Man [who I'd make the LAST Alpha Lantern].

    Thoughts? Would you do a Lantern Council, and if so who would you add? Do you think the Guardians should return or that Ganthet and Sayd need to stop dicking around with Blues and come home to the GLC? Will we ever find out what happened to the Templar Guardians?

    ~//V\\~

  • #2
    A council would be a good idea, but in general a paramilitary organization should have a point man that can answer questions that need to be answered in a second, not after a committee meeting. The GotU got around that problem because they were telepathically linked and unemotional.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Space Cop View Post
      A council would be a good idea, but in general a paramilitary organization should have a point man that can answer questions that need to be answered in a second, not after a committee meeting. The GotU got around that problem because they were telepathically linked and unemotional.
      Simple enough, put Salaak on point. He can be the chairman or whatever. It just makes no sense that a human would run an entire alien police force single handed. A lot of the aliens hate Earth Lanterns anyway, to make one the head of the GLC?!?

      ~//V\\~

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      • #4
        I always liked the bit about how Salaak could do multiple things with his arms.

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        • #5
          I think a council is better, but I still think that to really work and be effective the GLC NEEDS the Guardians. They may have been a bit abrasive at times (until Geoff turned them outright evil), but their vast knowledge and immortal perspective really seem indispensable to a mission of protecting the universe in any meaningful fashion. I just don't think the GLC, run by a GL or even a council of them, would have the knowledge/wisdom/perspective necessary to pursue any larger, long-term goals of protecting the universe as a whole vs. just randomly policing tiny bits of it as the opportunity presents itself to whoever happens to be nearby.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mister Ed View Post
            I think a council is better, but I still think that to really work and be effective the GLC NEEDS the Guardians. They may have been a bit abrasive at times (until Geoff turned them outright evil), but their vast knowledge and immortal perspective really seem indispensable to a mission of protecting the universe in any meaningful fashion. I just don't think the GLC, run by a GL or even a council of them, would have the knowledge/wisdom/perspective necessary to pursue any larger, long-term goals of protecting the universe as a whole vs. just randomly policing tiny bits of it as the opportunity presents itself to whoever happens to be nearby.
            That's why the Book of Oa needs to come into play and the 10 Laws fleshed out. And not just two or three of them. It's one of the better plot points still left to tinker with. All that knowledge and wisdom may not come in the ring's AI, but the Book coming back could be interesting in many ways. They don't have to bring back the Guardians because their influence could still be there.

            ~//V\\~

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            • #7
              I suppose they could have the Book play a Guardian-esque role, but the 10-laws should be left behind. To bring them up again would require either retconning what the revealed ones were, or else dealing with how stupid they were. I mean they supposedly wrote the 10 laws all at once, but the first was totally redundant in light of the second, the third was idiotic (and was repealed)...they didn't at ALL seem like important laws that were part of a well-thought-out plan, but rather like knee-jerk, ill-considered reactions to whatever happened to be going on at the moment (despite them all having supposedly been written at once, in advance of the events that they SEEMED to be reacting to).

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              • #8
                Yeah I'd completely retcon the original Laws they revealed since most of them were moot. It'd be ten solid laws, two of which would be something the human GL's would be most likely to break.

                One law would deal with sector jurisdiction. Only Council members and Honor Guard should be able to venture into any sector. A cosmic crisis would of course require special attention and be warranted though. Give GL's jurisdiction in their sector and like another four, two in each direction. Hal or whomever could be the GL of sector 2814 but operate between 2812-2816. Bring back Sector Houses as well.

                Mandatory R&R for Honor Guardsman after every three missions. I'd put something like this into play so once in awhile Kyle and Guy could have an Earth adventure as well as have another home away from the GLC.

                ~//V\\~

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                • #9
                  Mandatory R&R seems rather out-of-character for something the Guardians would have written, in almost any version I can think of. Even when they were depicted as competent and wise, they didn't usually seem to give a lot of thought to the comfort of the mortals under their command.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mister Ed View Post
                    Mandatory R&R seems rather out-of-character for something the Guardians would have written, in almost any version I can think of. Even when they were depicted as competent and wise, they didn't usually seem to give a lot of thought to the comfort of the mortals under their command.
                    Which is why it'd only be mandatory for the Honor Guardsman.

                    I attribute it to such laws like "mandatory breaks for X amount of work, yadda yadda.."

                    In my mind the Honor Guard would get more large scale action and would need more time to heal both physically and mentally. A GLC title would likely have equal amounts of Council, Honor Guard, and standard GLs. Then once in awhile we get a Kyle or Guy story on Earth or possibly staying in their Sector House.

                    EDIT: To me, the only thing the GLC comic has ever really lacked in was structure within the Corps. Just a little more could go a long way.

                    ~//V\\~

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                    • #11
                      From a narrative point of view, killing off the Guardians has added NOTHING to the story, aside from perhaps the shock (if you felt any) of the moment when it happened, and having the Templar Guardians journey around some with Kyle Rayner, which you could do without killing the Guardians.

                      A lot of the time, I think comics writers and editors just do things without thinking of, "Well, how is this going to serve future stories and where am I going to go with this?" I guess that's kinda' understandable, because so many different people work on the stories over time.

                      For John Stewart's character, his being leader hasn't done anything of note except give him better reason to interact with Soranik Natu, if that's even at all important. If there was a story ABOUT him becoming leader, which shows why he is worthy of being leader, then that certainly would have helped. But he was just quietly elected to that position off panel for some reason. I suppose you could argue Van Jensen and Robert Venditti's New 52 Green Lantern Corps was about that, but if it was, that particular aspect wasn't handled especially well, if you ask me.

                      From an in story point of view, I'm not sure how wise it is for any one man to be solely in charge of the universal police, to where his word is apparently law... but it doesn't sound very wise. I'm also not sure how wise it is it is to absolve multiple known criminals, murderers, rapists, and whatnot from their crimes and then make them the police. Actually, I do know how wise that is, and the answer is "not very". It's hard for me to believe these characters would become good because Sinestro isn't around, and Arkillo got beat up. And even if they did become good, if John Stewart was just, I don't think he'd excuse ALL of these high level criminals.

                      Really, a good writer, if they REALLY wanted to do that, would ask themselves, "Why would that make sense, and why would this John Stewart character do that?" And if they want the story to be taken seriously, they would have to come up with a REALLY good reason. I don't proclaim to be a master, but whenever I write fiction, and I go from point A to point B, if everything doesn't link up really solidly, I ask myself, why would that happen, and then I sit around, brainstorm, and contrive reasons that make sense within the context of the story, and world build stuff to where it makes sense, if need be.

                      To me, it seems to make no sense that John Stewart would ally with the Sinestro Corps, and appoint them universal peacekeepers, whether the Green Lantern Corps is undermanned or not. I'm seeing John Stewart is giving characters like Karu-Sil and Low the option of becoming police if they want to behave, but it's also my understanding that these characters and their ilk have intentionally committed atrocities, and from my point of view, it would be a disgrace to not only not hold them accountable for them, but to give them the authority of police officers. Being undermanned isn't a good enough reason, in my eyes, to do that. There are other, much better alternatives, like send out more GL rings, train the users, and organically build the Corps back up that way.

                      So, no, the story, as it appears to me, doesn't make a lot of sense.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Star-Lantern View Post
                        From a narrative point of view, killing off the Guardians has added NOTHING to the story, aside from perhaps the shock (if you felt any) of the moment when it happened, and having the Templar Guardians journey around some with Kyle Rayner, which you could do without killing the Guardians.

                        A lot of the time, I think comics writers and editors just do things without thinking of, "Well, how is this going to serve future stories and where am I going to go with this?" I guess that's kinda' understandable, because so many different people work on the stories over time.

                        For John Stewart's character, his being leader hasn't done anything of note except give him better reason to interact with Soranik Natu, if that's even at all important. If there was a story ABOUT him becoming leader, which shows why he is worthy of being leader, then that certainly would have helped. But he was just quietly elected to that position off panel for some reason. I suppose you could argue Van Jensen and Robert Venditti's New 52 Green Lantern Corps was about that, but if it was, that particular aspect wasn't handled especially well, if you ask me.

                        From an in story point of view, I'm not sure how wise it is for any one man to be solely in charge of the universal police, to where his word is apparently law... but it doesn't sound very wise. I'm also not sure how wise it is it is to absolve multiple known criminals, murderers, rapists, and whatnot from their crimes and then make them the police. Actually, I do know how wise that is, and the answer is "not very". It's hard for me to believe these characters would become good because Sinestro isn't around, and Arkillo got beat up. And even if they did become good, if John Stewart was just, I don't think he'd excuse ALL of these high level criminals.

                        Really, a good writer, if they REALLY wanted to do that, would ask themselves, "Why would that make sense, and why would this John Stewart character do that?" And if they want the story to be taken seriously, they would have to come up with a REALLY good reason. I don't proclaim to be a master, but whenever I write fiction, and I go from point A to point B, if everything doesn't link up really solidly, I ask myself, why would that happen, and then I sit around, brainstorm, and contrive reasons that make sense within the context of the story, and world build stuff to where it makes sense, if need be.

                        To me, it seems to make no sense that John Stewart would ally with the Sinestro Corps, and appoint them universal peacekeepers, whether the Green Lantern Corps is undermanned or not. I'm seeing John Stewart is giving characters like Karu-Sil and Low the option of becoming police if they want to behave, but it's also my understanding that these characters and their ilk have intentionally committed atrocities, and from my point of view, it would be a disgrace to not only not hold them accountable for them, but to give them the authority of police officers. Being undermanned isn't a good enough reason, in my eyes, to do that. There are other, much better alternatives, like send out more GL rings, train the users, and organically build the Corps back up that way.

                        So, no, the story, as it appears to me, doesn't make a lot of sense.
                        Just reboot it and bring back the Guardians. Problem solved.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Star-Lantern View Post
                          From a narrative point of view, killing off the Guardians has added NOTHING to the story, aside from perhaps the shock (if you felt any) of the moment when it happened, and having the Templar Guardians journey around some with Kyle Rayner, which you could do without killing the Guardians.

                          A lot of the time, I think comics writers and editors just do things without thinking of, "Well, how is this going to serve future stories and where am I going to go with this?" I guess that's kinda' understandable, because so many different people work on the stories over time.

                          For John Stewart's character, his being leader hasn't done anything of note except give him better reason to interact with Soranik Natu, if that's even at all important. If there was a story ABOUT him becoming leader, which shows why he is worthy of being leader, then that certainly would have helped. But he was just quietly elected to that position off panel for some reason. I suppose you could argue Van Jensen and Robert Venditti's New 52 Green Lantern Corps was about that, but if it was, that particular aspect wasn't handled especially well, if you ask me.

                          From an in story point of view, I'm not sure how wise it is for any one man to be solely in charge of the universal police, to where his word is apparently law... but it doesn't sound very wise. I'm also not sure how wise it is it is to absolve multiple known criminals, murderers, rapists, and whatnot from their crimes and then make them the police. Actually, I do know how wise that is, and the answer is "not very". It's hard for me to believe these characters would become good because Sinestro isn't around, and Arkillo got beat up. And even if they did become good, if John Stewart was just, I don't think he'd excuse ALL of these high level criminals.

                          Really, a good writer, if they REALLY wanted to do that, would ask themselves, "Why would that make sense, and why would this John Stewart character do that?" And if they want the story to be taken seriously, they would have to come up with a REALLY good reason. I don't proclaim to be a master, but whenever I write fiction, and I go from point A to point B, if everything doesn't link up really solidly, I ask myself, why would that happen, and then I sit around, brainstorm, and contrive reasons that make sense within the context of the story, and world build stuff to where it makes sense, if need be.

                          To me, it seems to make no sense that John Stewart would ally with the Sinestro Corps, and appoint them universal peacekeepers, whether the Green Lantern Corps is undermanned or not. I'm seeing John Stewart is giving characters like Karu-Sil and Low the option of becoming police if they want to behave, but it's also my understanding that these characters and their ilk have intentionally committed atrocities, and from my point of view, it would be a disgrace to not only not hold them accountable for them, but to give them the authority of police officers. Being undermanned isn't a good enough reason, in my eyes, to do that. There are other, much better alternatives, like send out more GL rings, train the users, and organically build the Corps back up that way.

                          So, no, the story, as it appears to me, doesn't make a lot of sense.
                          Just reboot it and bring back the Guardians. Problem solved.

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                          • #14
                            Because writers have handled them SO well in the past. [/sarcasm]

                            If the X-Men can survive without Prof. X then surely the GLC can get by without the Guardians. They just gotta give us more than we're getting. The comic is all flash with no substance. Kyle becoming green again after that random shit he did with no real explanation of what he was supposed to be doing? He basically put his hands on Saint Walker's head, gave him a seizure, then his white ring turned into a pack of skittles. EVS art is good, but it doesn't tell that much of the damn story.

                            ~//V\\~

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by -//V\\- View Post
                              Because writers have handled them SO well in the past. [/sarcasm]

                              If the X-Men can survive without Prof. X then surely the GLC can get by without the Guardians. They just gotta give us more than we're getting. The comic is all flash with no substance. Kyle becoming green again after that random shit he did with no real explanation of what he was supposed to be doing? He basically put his hands on Saint Walker's head, gave him a seizure, then his white ring turned into a pack of skittles. EVS art is good, but it doesn't tell that much of the damn story.

                              ~//V\\~
                              Actually, aside from Geoff, I've been pretty happy with how other writers handled the Guardians. Well, OK, maybe Marz's handling was poor, too, what with them being idiots in ET, and then dead, then babies, but I at least liked Ganthet, and their time being dead was presumably not something he got to choose.

                              And the X-men aren't supposed to be protecting the entire universe, with powers given to them deliberately by those in charge. I think the analogy falls apart. I think the GLC really SHOULD have the Guardians.
                              Mister Ed
                              Horse of a Different Color
                              Last edited by Mister Ed; 04-21-2017, 05:51 PM.

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