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Old 10-16-2021, 03:48 PM   #1
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Ok let me start off by saying i was wrong about a post credit scene. I loved the ending because i think there having Michael question himself why he does what he does. It was hinted at by hawkings Michael is a trapped 6 year old but like a rabid animal. I think its a interesting take because we still debate and question if real serial killers realize what they are doing and if remorseful. I dont think lauries daughter is dead either. David Gordon green loves the 3 generation strode women. Id also like to see them explain why his childhood home as a beacon wich was also mentioned
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Since Tazz is referring to these: [Moved from last film thread]

My short review:

Yep. I had planned to go with my mother to see this but when I told her I could stream it on my TV for no extra money, she was cool with that.

I liked, but didn't love it. Not sure how I feel about the ending, but I liked the mass panic idea.

There's no post-credits scene. I watched it through (and I had already heard there wasn't).

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My criticisms of HK:
First off I hated it because it was like watching Last of the Jedi again, but in the few hours I've had to think about it, maybe that was the direct intention- make a movie that riles up all the fans in order to come to a (hopefully) last movie where Michael dies forever.

1.There can be no complete death without Lorrie present because she has to be somehow involved in it.
2. The ending was bullshit. The movie basically ended where it began- with Michael killing citizens.
3. The Frankenstein town mob was an excellent idea, but again, the ending killed it.
4. No one ever gets an answer as to A. Why can'tMichael die, and B. What the hell was it that he saw in the mirror that drove him to kill his sister? Was it along the lines of "if you stare into the abyss, the abyss starts staring into you" belief?
5. None of the kills were as entertaining as the crushing of the skull by Michael's foot with the mad psychiatrist in the very last movie. Except maybe the boyfriend through, up, and sideways in the Bannister.
6. Was the suicide of the looney really necessary? Just gives kids ideas in real life when they are super scared.
7. (For Tazz) I didn't see any post credits scene, and I specifically waited for it. Just so you know. Pretty sure you saw the whole thing.
8. So to sum it up, basically what we have here is a Last of the Jedi done on purpose to set up for another movie, and it sucked as hard as the Last Jedi too. I hope the last one brings to a final FINAL conclusion where Michael dies, the curse dies, Laurie becomes victorious, and Haddonfield can finally put this whole bloody saga behind them.
Yeah, I didn't hate it because of some of the strengths you mentioned, but, like you, I hated the ending. It's just a bummer because it's too much of a cliff hanger (almost like cutting it off mid-movie) and I also think they should have gone all the way on Michael being human or supernatural. This feels like an in-between. I just kept thinking, "behead him." I also did not like them killing Laurie's daughter, especially in that off-hand, last-second kind of way.
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Yep. I had planned to go with my mother to see this but when I told her I could stream it on my TV for no extra money, she was cool with that.

I liked, but didn't love it. Not sure how I feel about the ending, but I liked the mass panic idea.

There's no post-credits scene. I watched it through (and I had already heard there wasn't).

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Yeah, I didn't hate it because of some of the strengths you mentioned, but, like you, I hated the ending. It's just a bummer because it's too much of a cliff hanger (almost like cutting it off mid-movie) and I also think they should have gone all the way on Michael being human or supernatural. This feels like an in-between. I just kept thinking, "behead him." I also did not like them killing Laurie's daughter, especially in that off-hand, last-second kind of way.
Assuming shes dead. I mean hey hawkings was stabbed in the throat and lived
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Assuming shes dead. I mean hey hawkings was stabbed in the throat and lived
True. I wasn’t expecting that.
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True. I wasn’t expecting that.
Curtis recently said fans will be angry with Halloween ends. Now maybe shes trying to cause a buzz but i also recently read they just sent Halloween ends script to carpenter for approval so im curious how they will tie everything up. I think cult of thorn was good on paper but poorly executed in 6. Maybe blumhouse will do it better?
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…I think cult of thorn was good on paper but poorly executed in 6. Maybe blumhouse will do it better?
Agreed. When I first started watching the sequels years ago (probably about the time H20 was coming out) the end of 5 left me so curious as to what they would do and I was so disappointed in #6 (even for the producer’s cut, though that is a little better).
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Agreed. When I first started watching the sequels years ago (probably about the time H20 was coming out) the end of 5 left me so curious as to what they would do and I was so disappointed in #6 (even for the producer’s cut, though that is a little better).
I wanna say 2 was my introduction to the series when i was a kid. Thats what had me terrified of hospitals .Its actually kind of crazy to see theres little to no blood in the original 2. I still haven't seen 3 but i did see the rest. I still haven't seen original psycho so its news to me Curtis is the daughter of that actress
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Yeah, I didn't hate it because of some of the strengths you mentioned, but, like you, I hated the ending. It's just a bummer because it's too much of a cliff hanger (almost like cutting it off mid-movie) and I also think they should have gone all the way on Michael being human or supernatural. This feels like an in-between. I just kept thinking, "behead him." I also did not like them killing Laurie's daughter, especially in that off-hand, last-second kind of way.

Ok, you bring up some very good points here. For starters, let's consider the ways you can end Michael permanently (or Jason or Leatherface or any other "supernatural " slasher:


1. Be-head the bastard.
2. Throw all the remains, including the head into an industrial meat grinder. Certain farm tractor implements will do the same trick, also.
3. Now, take *those* remains, and bring them to a funeral director who can thrown them into the oven until they are ash.
4. Take the ash and either A. Spread them in the ocean (salt is a spiritually purifying cleanser) or B. Bury the ashes on consecrated holy ground.
5. OR you can bypass steps 1 through 4 and seal the bastard up *without* any loopholes for him to escape,, haul him out to the sea, get a great white shark frenzy going ("come chum some of this shit!") And drop the fucker in the middle of it. But you have to really get those sharks thrashing angry mad. Also make sure they are 20 feet or longer. And don't go out on a goddamn boat. Use a frigging aircraft carrier or oil tanker or something.



I've thought about this a lot. A LOT.


I did not like Laurie's daughter getting butchered at the end, either, but that could turn out to be a vivid hallucination in the next movie.


They seriously need to pull off a "Rise of Skywalker" for the last movie. Like their lives depend on it.
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. . . I did not like Laurie's daughter getting butchered at the end, either, but that could turn out to be a vivid hallucination in the next movie. . .
That wouldn’t be totally unjustified. She seemed to dream/envision/hallucinate 6-year-Michael and there was no link showing 58-year-old Michael get back to the house and upstairs. It was kind of dreamlike just the way it was shot/edited.
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That wouldn’t be totally unjustified. She seemed to dream/envision/hallucinate 6-year-Michael and there was no link showing 58-year-old Michael get back to the house and upstairs. It was kind of dreamlike just the way it was shot/edited.
I think hes 61 because hes 21 in the original when he escapes. I think he was like 6 when he kills Judith. There a deleted scene of the 78 film where the board states he will stay at smiths grove till his 21 bday till hes ready to be tried as a adult. He spent 15 years in the sanitarium Halloween 2018 is 40 years so 61
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Ok, you bring up some very good points here. For starters, let's consider the ways you can end Michael permanently (or Jason or Leatherface or any other "supernatural " slasher:


1. Be-head the bastard.
2. Throw all the remains, including the head into an industrial meat grinder. Certain farm tractor implements will do the same trick, also.
3. Now, take *those* remains, and bring them to a funeral director who can thrown them into the oven until they are ash.
4. Take the ash and either A. Spread them in the ocean (salt is a spiritually purifying cleanser) or B. Bury the ashes on consecrated holy ground.
5. OR you can bypass steps 1 through 4 and seal the bastard up *without* any loopholes for him to escape,, haul him out to the sea, get a great white shark frenzy going ("come chum some of this shit!") And drop the fucker in the middle of it. But you have to really get those sharks thrashing angry mad. Also make sure they are 20 feet or longer. And don't go out on a goddamn boat. Use a frigging aircraft carrier or oil tanker or something.



I've thought about this a lot. A LOT.


I did not like Laurie's daughter getting butchered at the end, either, but that could turn out to be a vivid hallucination in the next movie.


They seriously need to pull off a "Rise of Skywalker" for the last movie. Like their lives depend on it.
I doubt he dies because its supposedly reported Curtis stated in contracts he cant be killed off. Im not sure if legitimate or just people online bsing. Even if they do kill him he will be rebooted again in like 7 years
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I think hes 61 because hes 21 in the original when he escapes. I think he was like 6 when he kills Judith. There a deleted scene of the 78 film where the board states he will stay at smiths grove till his 21 bday till hes ready to be tried as a adult. He spent 15 years in the sanitarium Halloween 2018 is 40 years so 61
You’re absolutely right. I forgot that bit about him being 21. I thought it was 18 (probably because they’re both “legal” ages), but as soon as you “said” it I remembered.

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No, I agree, although 7 was made originally to end that continuity, but they chickened out with 8.

I just don’t like that they present this idea of him being immortal without really proving it (because they didn’t do something totally un-healable like behead or explode him). I would’ve been cool if it ended like the last one (or for that matter 1, 4, 6, and 8) where it could be that he’s dead or not. I just don’t like them ending a movie with the bad guy totally on top.

But there were a lot of good points in this movie. The mob mentality thing was great. And there were a lot of clever kills (like the light tube).
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I doubt he dies because its supposedly reported Curtis stated in contracts he cant be killed off. Im not sure if legitimate or just people online bsing. Even if they do kill him he will be rebooted again in like 7 years

I could live with him being killed off now, and then coming back in a rebooted but totally different time line. But he does need to die in the next movie. Like seriously, if he doesn't die, I'm selling all my Halloween dvds and totally divorcing myself of the entire franchise.
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You’re absolutely right. I forgot that bit about him being 21. I thought it was 18 (probably because they’re both “legal” ages), but as soon as you “said” it I remembered.



No, I agree, although 7 was made originally to end that continuity, but they chickened out with 8.

I just don’t like that they present this idea of him being immortal without really proving it (because they didn’t do something totally un-healable like behead or explode him). I would’ve been cool if it ended like the last one (or for that matter 1, 4, 6, and 8) where it could be that he’s dead or not. I just don’t like them ending a movie with the bad guy totally on top.

But there were a lot of good points in this movie. The mob mentality thing was great. And there were a lot of clever kills (like the light tube).
I understand. I actually just rewatched rob zombies version before work because people thought kills was worse. I think theres some decent things in zombies version but i hated the whole white trash domestic crap. I think had he not opened with that it Could of been better. I give zombie credit for trying but hopefully his munsters film is better
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EDIT: An English horror Youtuber (not professional) I follow did a pretty good (though long) review I mostly agreed with. He's about as negative as Jeff:

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I understand. I actually just rewatched rob zombies version before work because people thought kills was worse. I think theres some decent things in zombies version but i hated the whole white trash domestic crap. I think had he not opened with that it Could of been better. I give zombie credit for trying but hopefully his munsters film is better
When I first saw Zombie’s remake I really dug it and liked the aspect (for a change, not a necessity) of giving him a background. But I hated the second one (even upon re-watch) and now have kind of soured to both. I re-watched it when I went through the whole series again (after getting the Blu rays), but don’t feel inclined to just pick it up randomly.
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I love the new theme expecially that riff. Hoping to make it my phone tone so it plays when i enter work
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^I have to hear it more. I liked what I noticed, but it hasn't stuck yet. I did know Carpenter and his son were did it.
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^I have to hear it more. I liked what I noticed, but it hasn't stuck yet. I did know Carpenter and his son were did it.
Theres a extended version wich is 8 minutes. Tom jones jr was loomis under a 12 piece prosthetic. Thats fn amazing.
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Just listened to that on Youtube. Very cool.

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You guys want to hear the most destructive horrifying version of the Halloween theme? Check out my homeboy Trent:


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5. OR you can bypass steps 1 through 4 and seal the bastard up *without* any loopholes for him to escape,, haul him out to the sea, get a great white shark frenzy going ("come chum some of this shit!") And drop the fucker in the middle of it. But you have to really get those sharks thrashing angry mad. Also make sure they are 20 feet or longer. And don't go out on a goddamn boat. Use a frigging aircraft carrier or oil tanker or something.

I'm changing one little detail in this scenario: replace the white sharks with Bull sharks. Whites are more of a "feeler" shark; once they figure out you're not a seal, they lose interest for the most part. Bulls, on the other hand, have testosterone levels going through the roof. Of all the shark attacks recorded since the recordings began, Bulls are usually the culprit. They even swim upstream in fresh water, which prompted many people to believe they were responsible for the 1916 Jersey Shore attacks which were originally attributed to the whites.
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I could live with him being killed off now, and then coming back in a rebooted but totally different time line. But he does need to die in the next movie. Like seriously, if he doesn't die, I'm selling all my Halloween dvds and totally divorcing myself of the entire franchise.
Almost more than the violence and gore, this is the aspect of many horror movies that really makes them impossible for me to enjoy, the tendency for them to have evil triumph in the end, or if not triumph, at least constantly fail to be defeated. I can put up with a lot more unpleasantness when the bad guys definitely lose in the end.
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Almost more than the violence and gore, this is the aspect of many horror movies that really makes them impossible for me to enjoy, the tendency for them to have evil triumph in the end, or if not triumph, at least constantly fail to be defeated. I can put up with a lot more unpleasantness when the bad guys definitely lose in the end.
I'm surprised you even checked this thread out.

Yeah, I actually prefer good to win or at least to have some good survive (but I do enjoy some of the alternative anyway).

Part of the problem, say in the slasher genre, is that evil is defeated, but the movie makes so much money the studio insists on a sequel and they have to "undo" the defeat. This has happened so often that even if it's final, the audience doesn't believe it.
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I'm surprised you even checked this thread out.

Yeah, I actually prefer good to win or at least to have some good survive (but I do enjoy some of the alternative anyway).
Personally id like to see evil win because good always does not just in horror but overall. Perfect example the power rangers franchise. You never get a evil wins outcome. Right now they brought back lord zedd as evil despite being turned good after zordon dies and his good essence affects all evil in power rangers in space
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I'm surprised you even checked this thread out.
Yeah, I generally glance through everything that has new posts when I come on here. I get bored at work.
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