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Old 09-14-2017, 03:16 PM   #1
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Actually I am hoping that the Coluan and the Tamarian Lantern can be moved into the present-day corps somehow. The Tamarian character, reminds me a little of Prince Thun from the Flash Gordon days, could seemingly fill that Arkiss Chummunck role in the Corps, I still miss him. For a while I was hoping that Tigorr could take that spot but they wouldn't want to remove him from the Omega Men because the book wouldn't work without him.

One of my favorite one off ideas during the John's era was win Vril Dox got a yellow ring and became a member of the Sinestro Corps. I always envisioned Dox being a powerful member of the SC and one day making a bid for outright leadership, since he would be backed by his L.E.G.I.O.N. The idea of merging a Coluan level intellect with a power ring for me is even more fascinating than putting a power ring on a Kryptonian or Daxamite. I would like to see the GLC come into contact/conflict with the L.E.G.I.O.N because I want to see the Corps go up against something other than other corps for a while. The idea of the GLC being in competition with a character as complex as Dox would be enjoyable.
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Old 09-14-2017, 04:15 PM   #2
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I get its off topic, but it would be cool if some GLs were centuries and centuries old. I'm sure it's been done before, but I don't recall any of the currents being really ancient. Still, you'd think some species most live much, much longer than us.
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it would be nice to have some sage old wisdom in the Corps to refer to. As of now It feels like even though Salaak is tech minded, Hal/John/Guy are about as senior as the Corps gets well I guess Kilowog since he trained them.

Kilowog has been the trainer for quite a while now but it is still hard for me to forget that pre-retcon as drill sergeant, he was just as green/inexperienced as Arisia during the Green Lantern Corps team book back in the day. With the Guardians gone for the most part now the GLC is like Lord of the Flies in a way. Just like the X-Men would eventually outgrow the need to be under Prof X, but you still kind of miss that presence. I miss having the Guardians around for that browbeating of hot headed earthers who only see the immediate threat but aren't looking decades down the road.
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I like the idea that a lot of alien races live much longer than us. And that they view human lifespans as a flicker of flame. Plus it would be in the Guardians interest to recruit members who could serve longer, and avoid constant recruiting and training. Abin Sur being much older was always interesting to me, explaining why there wasnt a human GL before From the old west until Hal (depending on what stories you read).

I just want to avoid more billion year old immortals. That just seems goofy for lanterns. Larfleeze being that old is ridiculous, anyone that old wouldnt be anyone we could recognize as the person they started off as. I prefer my immortals to be within their first few hundred years of their lifespan.
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^I agree. Vulcan ages or maybe a thousand-year lifespan would be fun, the kind of thing where a thirty-year-old human is so far back for them that it seems like being a little kid. In Highlander, they had this fun thing where Duncan (at just under 400) was relatively young compared to some of his friends and enemies. The perspective of someone who remembers before the printing press is just fun to consider.

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Old 09-14-2017, 06:32 PM   #6
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That's exactly what I was thinking. I was actually thinking of Spock when I wrote that, and the Highlander comparison is also excellent. Old, but not SO old that its silly. We already have the Guardians who shouldnt have been depicted as old as they are in tye first place.
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Well, Raker was ancient, but I haven't seen him in a while.
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^^^ I'd take Raker and THAT origin for the GLC over every bit of the crap we've got now. There was a Tamaranian among his group as well. The girl looked more like a Tamaranian than the Tigorr knock-off in Green Lanterns.

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I always thought Raker was depicted as too old too. I could buy he was trapped there for centuries, maybe a millenia, but millions of years? Its just silly.
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Wasn't that story told from a 3rd person narrative? Who said that omnipotent fuck didn't have their facts wrong? LOL

And even if a Lantern who's thousands of years old is 'silly', that's STILL better than the garbage we're getting in our corner of the DCU. That guy in the ancient Lanterns group that looked like a Czarnian... is supposed to be a white Martian?! Now they want me to believe the white Martians are millions of years old? That's just as ridiculous as the ancient Lanterns.

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...Now they want me to believe the white Martians are millions of years old? That's just as ridiculous as the ancient Lanterns. . .
When I first saw him, I was thinking "he looks like a White Martian, but that's silly."
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He looked like Lobo trying to hide his ID to me...

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One of my favorite one off ideas during the John's era was win Vril Dox got a yellow ring and became a member of the Sinestro Corps. I always envisioned Dox being a powerful member of the SC and one day making a bid for outright leadership, since he would be backed by his L.E.G.I.O.N. The idea of merging a Coluan level intellect with a power ring for me is even more fascinating than putting a power ring on a Kryptonian or Daxamite. I would like to see the GLC come into contact/conflict with the L.E.G.I.O.N because I want to see the Corps go up against something other than other corps for a while. The idea of the GLC being in competition with a character as complex as Dox would be enjoyable.
There were a few good ideas during Blackest Night that were discarded at the end of the run, or during the Brightest Day/War of the Lanterns/Third Army fiasco. I could have accepted a Virl Dox Sinestro Corps takeover, as well as the Mongul attempted takeover.

The current Soranik Natu leadership is overblown and not at all what was seen in Soranik's struggles with her father.

If there is a secret book kept by the DC editors, it seems to be "Kyle will never have a girlfriend" and "As soon as sales drop, shake up everything, no matter what has been promised before".

Ancient Lanterns - isn't this what the Annuals of the GLC was all about?
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^^^ I'd take Raker and THAT origin for the GLC over every bit of the crap we've got now. There was a Tamaranian among his group as well. The girl looked more like a Tamaranian than the Tigorr knock-off in Green Lanterns.

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Though technically, Raker's story wasn't of the origin of the GLC, it was simply the expansion of its numbers. However, I'm a bit disappointed that Rori Dag seems to have fallen completely out of continuity.
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And as always, the question is, where are you going to put these characters? There's no camera time available for them since Geoff brought in the emotional spectrum and Baz and Cruz.

His stuff has crowded almost everything else off the pages.
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Not really ancient, but it occurs to me they should do a time travel story where a beloved dead GL comes out of the time stream on a mission and has to team up with Hal and co to save the day. It would be nice to see Abin Sur, Tomar Re or Katma Tui pop out of a time rift and need Hal's help, not knowing what their eventual fates were.
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^Should be doable, like when the young Hal teamed with Kyle.
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^Should be doable, like when the young Hal teamed with Kyle.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking. I would like that for a story that ran a few issues.
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I always thought Raker was depicted as too old too. I could buy he was trapped there for centuries, maybe a millenia, but millions of years? Its just silly.
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Though technically, Raker's story wasn't of the origin of the GLC, it was simply the expansion of its numbers. However, I'm a bit disappointed that Rori Dag seems to have fallen completely out of continuity.
Just re-read the Raker story. It WAS an origin for the Corps, and even made it less hokey having it go back less than 1400 years ago. Just under 1400 years ago the Guardians dispatched a Manhunter to Apokolips wielding an old school looking power batter and a green handgun. Couple hundred years Later one of the first Lanterns that resembled a giant cockroach ALSO wielding a green gun and battery is spoke of by the Guardians, as well as the failed Manhunters. This leads into Raker's story, who claimed "there were only a handful of us ring bearers when the Guardians dispatched me to this cold and lowly corner of hell."

When Raker confronts Darkseid, big D crushes his ring hand after Raker spits off about how his ring is the most powerful weapon in the universe. At this point Darkseid claims he thinks the best weapon is fear before crushing Raker's hand and swiping his ring. He gives it to Desaad to tinker with and Raker flies away using the power in his battery that he had on his hip.

So... "only a handful" to me translates to five Lanterns. If you include the cockroach with the green gun rather than a ring, that'd make six. PLENTY of stuff to work with, somebody should've used this to build on rather than make all of this new shit. THEY EVEN HAD A TAMARANIAN THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE TIGORR!

The Guardians mentioned the roach Lantern of Binitrix and caller her "their living agent.." which likely means the roach WAS the first Lantern and was still using the green gun.



Just go back and read the story, its the 80 Page Giant #3 and has Kyle, Orion, and Raker on the cover. This story is better than 'the First Lantern' arc as well as the current arc in Green Lanterns. I'd have LOVED for somebody to use this as the basis for the Corps origin. Maybe give a couple other 'living agents' guns before giving out the first ring. Perhaps Raker was the first ring wielder since he trained what would become the Corps? This is just a ton of wasted potential.

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Having the Manhunters only 1400 years ago seems like a big retcon. I remember thinking at the time that that date was a mistake.

I don't think that "a handful" translates to 5, either, but I guess it could be seen as an origin of THE Corps, as we know it now, even if it wasn't an origin of the Corps in the sense of telling about the very first rings being handed out.
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I like that it didn't used to be billions of years of GLs. That's too long. In the old continuity they were little guardians for a long time before they even start the Manhunters than it's longer still before they even think about the first ring.
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The story just began 1400 years ago before the Manhunters had went rogue. The Guardians even mention the Empire of Tears and Ysmault and the eventual betrayal of the Manhunters. I didn't take it as a big retcon because I'm not familiar with much of Vol. 2 of Green Lantern.

Still it's a better read than what they've got now. And c'mon... a handful is a handful. Unless somebody says a 'big handful' I've never thought a handful was more than five to seven tops. It's a broad term I suppose and it just depends where you're from. I still think this 80 Page Giant #3 is a better origin to build on.

The First Lantern, the Third Army, the Phantom Lantern, etc. is all just DC recycling the same formula over and over because it worked for Geoff between GL Rebirth and Blackest Night.

I remember when Volthoom was just the power behind Power Ring's ring on Earth 3. I miss those days LOL

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Old 10-02-2017, 12:41 PM   #23
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Honestly the only reason I got Green Lanterns recently was to check out the "ancient GLs". I would love to see them show up in Hal Jordan's series. I usually skip Green Lanterns unless the art/story look good. Otherwise I don't care about Baz and Jessica, I think there are way too many GLs from Earth.
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