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Old 08-20-2019, 08:17 PM   #1
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BREAKING Spider-Man is out of the MCU

Disney-Sony Standoff Ends Marvel Studios & Kevin Feigeís Involvement In ĎSpider-Maní



EXCLUSIVE: Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige wonít produce any further Spider-Man films because of an inability by Disney and Sony Pictures to reach new terms that would have given the former a co-financing stake going forward. A dispute that has taken place over the past few months at the top of Disney and Sony has essentially nixed Feige, and the future involvement of Marvel from the Spider-Man universe, sources said.

This comes at a moment when the last two films Kevin Feige produced broke all-time records ó Disneyís Avengers: Endgame became the highest grossing film of all time, and Spider-Man: Far From Home this week surpassed the James Bond film Skyfall to become the all time highest grossing film for Sony Pictures.



Sources said there are two more Spider-Man films in the works that are meant to have director Jon Watts and Tom Holland front and center. Unless something dramatic happens, Feige wonít be the lead creative producer of those pictures.

There is a lot of webbing here, but it all comes down to money, and itís easy to understand why both sides refused to give ground. Disney asked that future Spider-Man films be a 50/50 co-financing arrangement between the studios, and there were discussions that this might extend to other films in the Spider-Man universe. Sony turned that offer down flat, and I donít believe they even came back to the table to figure out a compromise. Led by Tom Rothman and Tony Vinciquerra, Sony just simply didnít want to share its biggest franchise. Sony proposed keeping the arrangement going under the current terms where Marvel receives in the range of 5% of first dollar gross, sources said. Disney refused.

Now, itís easy to say that Feige has enough on his plate, especially after taking control of the X-Men universe in the Fox acquisition, including the Deadpool franchise, along with architecting the next phase of the Marvel superhero universe and building movies and shows for Disney +. But Iím told Feige loves Spider-Man, arguably the biggest superhero character in the Marvel canon. He would have continued if Disney and Sony could have reached new deal terms.

Essentially Sony has made a decision that is similar to saying, thank you, but we think we can win the championship without Michael Jordan. After all, Feigeís first decade at Marvel is largely unblemished and his consistency has been nothing short of historic: even George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Peter Jackson havenít seen everything turn into a hit, and so maybe only James Cameron has the success record that Feige has achieved. But Feige has done it all in the last 10 years, producing and overseeing 23 superheros, with not a flop in the bunch. Theyíve all been number one openers that have collectively grossed $26.8 billion. Feige this year became the producer of the top grossing film ever for two studios ó Sony and Disney ó and he produced three of the top four highest grossing films this year in Avengers: Endgame, Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: Far From Home. This after scoring the first ever Best Picture Oscar nom for a superhero film last year with Black Panther. I canít think of a Hollywood producer/executive who has done anything close to this.

And the launch of the new iteration of Spider-Man was done brilliantly with Marvelís support and help. It has been a boon to both studios. Tom Hollandís character was introduced in the Joe & Anthony Russo-directed 2016 blockbuster Captain America: Civil War, the film that set up the two record breaking Avengers films. Sonyís first rebooted Spidey film, 2017ís Spider-Man: Homecoming, rode that Marvel wave and grossed $880 million worldwide, and then the webslinger was a key character in the two Avengers films, leading to the Spidey sequel that this week became Sonyís top grossing film ever.

Sources said Disneyís top brass for the past several months has sought new terms for Feige and the Marvel cross-pollination to continue. As the Spider-Man relationship grew, Feige and Sony Pictures chief Tom Rothman spoke about the possibility of a wider involvement in the Sony-controlled Spider-man universe, which contains 900 characters. Iím told that Feige lent an unofficial hand with the blockbuster Venom, but Iíve also been told that that film was far from the polished product that grossed $856 million worldwide, until Rothman himself spent a good long time in the editing room helping to get it there.

It is understandable that the fiscally shrewd Rothman would balk at giving up half of Sonyís biggest franchise to Marvel. After all, Marvel already owns the merchandising on Spider-Man. Does the Mouse really need half of the movie universe also? Sony so far has decided that as valuable as Feige is, Disney is asking too high a price.

Sources said that Sony reasoned that they will be fine, without Feige. The creative template has been set on the Spider-Man films, and Watt and Holland are in place along with Amy Pascal, who became producer with Feige after she exited the executive suite after presiding over the previous Spider-man iterations directed by Sam Raimi and Marc Webb as Sony Pictures chief.

The Venom sequel is well underway with Andy Serkis directing Tom Hardey, and there is Morbius with Jared Leto, Kraven The Hunter, and another spinoff with the characters Silver Sable and Black Cat. And a Sinister Six film that got shelved. Sony, which once felt the ticking clock of generating a Spider-Man film every three or so years to prevent a rights reversion to Disney, now has plenty of pictures to make. And the studio also won the Best Animated Feature Oscar for Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse, a smash hit they made on their own.

No comment from Marvel/Disney, Feige or Sony Pictures.

https://deadline.com/2019/08/kevin-f...er-1202672545/
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:33 PM   #2
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Just heard this a few minutes ago. Not really impressed with the mythos of the current Spiderman and his uncle Tony. I'm fine with the series moving away from that.
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Old 08-20-2019, 10:47 PM   #3
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Disney wants 50% profit now, up from 5% (the previous deal). That's... a huge increase. They can't expect to get Sony to agree to that, and I doubt they do. They're going to meet in the middle around 10-20% in a few days and that'll be that. This is just typical hardball negotiations, methinks, with Disney/Marvel knowing they have the upper hand.
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What is Sony going to do? Tank their shares, so Disney can do a hostile takeover?
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What is Sony going to do? Tank their shares, so Disney can do a hostile takeover?
I don't wager Disney would be allowed to buy anybody else at this point. I just really don't see it.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:47 PM   #6
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https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/...v1hohIVL_8cX8g

Sony named their price to sell Spider-Man back to Disney/Marvel. 10 billion. I think that's a reasonable price. Disney should have paid, if this is true.
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Yo.

Da Mouse paid more just over $4B for *ALL* of Star Wars; like it was gonna pay more than double that for _just_ the Spidey franchise.....




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I don't see them paying 10b for one character/franchise, even one so diverse and worthwhile as Spidey. They'll demand less and get the whole thing or renegotiate and get a reasonable income increase without breaking Sony's balls.
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Da Mouse paid more just over $4B for *ALL* of Star Wars; like it was gonna pay more than double that for _just_ the Spidey franchise.....




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True, but... Spider-Man merchandise is still Marvel's largest source of revenue. Of all. Keeping that character intact should be a high priority.
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Old 08-27-2019, 04:32 PM   #10
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ok, but I'm pretty sure that Marvel *already* gets most of the revenue generated from him; I rather doubt Sony prints up much in the way of tshirts & cups, and I doubt they do much at all in the way of toys and such......... :/




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Da Mouse paid more just over $4B for *ALL* of Star Wars; like it was gonna pay more than double that for _just_ the Spidey franchise.....




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That wasn't a proper buyout deal though, that literally only happened because George Lucas wanted to retire and contacted them with the $4 billion price point. There were no monetary negotiations involved, and Lucas subsequently donated the money to charity, making the $4 billion little more than a token cost.
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ok, but I'm pretty sure that Marvel *already* gets most of the revenue generated from him; I rather doubt Sony prints up much in the way of tshirts & cups, and I doubt they do much at all in the way of toys and such......... :/




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Previous and potential revenue from film and video game profits is at the heart of the issue. The films are billion dollar properties alone, add to that the video games which Sony also has rights to, and it becomes a huge deal. Sony's Spider-Man for PS4, for instance, made nearly $500 million in its first month before DLC profits, never mind the bonus money from their intercompany exclusive designs, such as the Spider-Man PS4 variant, which allowed them to sell their system at a premium because of a color design.

Lots of little things like that add up over time, so when you approach a buyout you have to look at potential profits lost by giving up the rights. It's not just about what it's done, it's about what it can do, and Spider-Man has been set up to lead the MCU for all intents and purposes, so you're looking at multiple billions of dollars worth of films, with the video games aside. I'm sorry, but $10 billion is more than a fair starting point for negotiations now... and Disney's over eagerness with their previous share deal is kind of to blame.
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That wasn't a proper buyout deal though, that literally only happened because George Lucas wanted to retire and contacted them with the $4 billion price point. There were no monetary negotiations involved, and Lucas subsequently donated the money to charity, making the $4 billion little more than a token cost.
I don't know about it being "proper" (becuz that's a pretty arguable point, if I'm to be honest), but I'll grant that Lucas clearly wasn't sweating it.

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Previous and potential revenue from film and video game profits is at the heart of the issue. The films are billion dollar properties alone, add to that the video games which Sony also has rights to, and it becomes a huge deal. Sony's Spider-Man for PS4, for instance, made nearly $500 million in its first month before DLC profits, never mind the bonus money from their intercompany exclusive designs, such as the Spider-Man PS4 variant, which allowed them to sell their system at a premium because of a color design.
correct on the movies, but not quite so when it comes to the vidya gaems: https://screenrant.com/spider-man-ps...niac-xbox-one/

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The Spider-Man license is a big one for PlayStation. On the big screen, PlayStation's parent company Sony is sharing the character's cinematic appearances with Marvel and Disney because they own Spidey's film rights, but the gaming rights of the character actually belong to Marvel Games, a division of Marvel Entertainment.

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Lots of little things like that add up over time, so when you approach a buyout you have to look at potential profits lost by giving up the rights. It's not just about what it's done, it's about what it can do, and Spider-Man has been set up to lead the MCU for all intents and purposes, so you're looking at multiple billions of dollars worth of films, with the video games aside. I'm sorry, but $10 billion is more than a fair starting point for negotiations now... and Disney's over eagerness with their previous share deal is kind of to blame.
.......I don't think Spidey was setup to lead the MCU, at all; I saw his MCU development moving him more towards being an integral/central character, if anything.




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Yo.

cross yur fingers & pray this wasn't just bullshit, ppl: https://www.hindustantimes.com/holly...qDESB6UJK.html

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Spider-Man rumour says Disney and Sony could be rethinking deal, and ĎItís looking positiveí

A now deleted Facebook post suggested that Disney and Sony are renegotiating a deal that was previously believed to have broken down. The new deal will allow Spider-Man to appear in the MCU.



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Hm... that's promising.
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I'm not surprised. This has been a strong-arm tactic to extort a better deal for Disney from day one.
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Disney tends to overstep and attempt to strong arm other companies all the time. They're too big for their own good, and I'm honestly happy the Fox deal is already losing them so much money. They only seemingly bought Fox to get the rights to the X-Men and A New Hope, and now their greed is shooting them in the foot with a financial downslide. Seemingly in response, they try to pull this on Sony to get more money in from Spider-Man to help their loses, and Sony basically tells them to screw themselves. I say good for Sony. Renegotiation at the end of the deal was always going to happen, but Disney tried for way too much, and the press hit them hard for it. It's a good reminder for the house of mouse. They've overstretched and need to take a break from expansion for awhile beforr they implode.
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