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Old 09-20-2010, 08:59 AM   #51
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She got needy. Mind you, he's just as selfish.
Someone had to say it.
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Old 09-23-2010, 07:40 PM   #52
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It was out of character. It was stupidly written by a stupid writer. And it made NO SENSE. LET IT BE BURNED AWAY IN THE FIERY DEPTHS OF THE DC RETCON FORGE!
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:43 PM   #53
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It was out of character. It was stupidly written by a stupid writer. And it made NO SENSE. LET IT BE BURNED AWAY IN THE FIERY DEPTHS OF THE DC RETCON FORGE!
Out of character my ass. She's human, who wanted somebody around her. Hell if my Girlfriend left somewhere and I wasn't sure I would come back, I would seek other women to talk to. Is it right what Jade did, no but it was a natural human reaction.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:46 AM   #54
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Out of character my ass. She's human, who wanted somebody around her. Hell if my Girlfriend left somewhere and I wasn't sure I would come back, I would seek other women to talk to. Is it right what Jade did, no but it was a natural human reaction.
THANK you. I am so sick of someone saying such a common human behavior is out of character. Why? Because she's a hero? Because she was in love with Kyle? Because she's a good person? None of this disqualifies her from making a stupid mistake and getting lonely and having the perfect psychological storm that would lead to an affair while Kyle was out of sight and not communicating with her, especially when things were rocky on Oa right before between them.

After Kyle came back, the weight of Jen's mistake hit her, and the affair would have naturally ended.
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:51 AM   #55
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THANK you. I am so sick of someone saying such a common human behavior is out of character. Why? Because she's a hero? Because she was in love with Kyle? Because she's a good person? None of this disqualifies her from making a stupid mistake and getting lonely and having the perfect psychological storm that would lead to an affair while Kyle was out of sight and not communicating with her, especially when things were rocky on Oa right before between them.

After Kyle came back, the weight of Jen's mistake hit her, and the affair would have naturally ended.

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Old 09-24-2010, 10:54 AM   #56
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It was out of character. It was stupidly written by a stupid writer. And it made NO SENSE. LET IT BE BURNED AWAY IN THE FIERY DEPTHS OF THE DC RETCON FORGE!
This just in: Sometimes people cheat. It's surprisingly common. It is not like rape or murder or stealing. Heck, the circumstances of her cheating don't even make it like cheating when you are living with somebody.

Lots of things could be debated for being in character or not. Kyle leaving Earth and saying that he lost his will to protect it in a letter to John? Really? Or is that in character? It could be. Maybe Kyle had a moment of real utter stupidity. Does it mean it should be retconned out? There are tons and tons and TONS of moments where people in stories and in , gasp, real life, have lapses in judgment and act impulsively, unwisely, selfishly, out of cowardice, out of insecurity or fear.

Have you ever been close to someone who you know has cheated before? Have you ever loved someone who has? Have you ever seen and KNOWN that they were a wonderful person, if far from perfect (like us all), that they loved the person they had cheated on? I have. Jen's actions were real from what I have seen with the behavior of a few very close girl and guy friends I've loved and known over the years.

The only time Jade acted completely out of character was when she was guilt tripping Kyle about still having Alex's ring in that terrible GL annual. THAT was harshly out of character.
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Old 10-17-2010, 02:08 AM   #57
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Naw you can't retcon something like that out, firstly it would make a lot of the stuff in BN obsolete, then it would also take away a big chunk of the stuff that makes Kyle who he is.
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Old 10-17-2010, 08:12 PM   #58
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I don't think it's going to be retcon anyway.
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Old 10-22-2010, 05:52 PM   #59
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To retcon something that is human nature would just be stupid. I know that most of you have already stated similar things to what I'm about to say but oh well deal with it. It is human nature to have the need and desire to want a special someone to be around you. When that someone is gone its hard to not to think about them all the time. So instead of waiting you go to the arms of someone that will listen and be there for you when that special someone can't be. I'm not saying what she did was right but its not out of character. Everyone has the capability to do what she did if they were in the same situation. I know people who have come to me when their husband or boyfriend is gone for several days. I was there to talk with them and make sure that they weren't too lonely. but I never let it get out of hand even though they wanted to. I don't think any less of those friends of mine. So with that said no it shouldn't be retconed.

All of the relationship problems that Kyle has had have been what made him who he is now. He's learned from most of them and grown up from them. There are a few that he still has but if a person has no faults then you can't relate to them at all which would make you hate that character. You love the character for the faults and weaknesses as their strengths.
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Old 10-22-2010, 09:32 PM   #60
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When that someone is gone its hard to not to think about them all the time. So instead of waiting you go to the arms of someone that will listen and be there for you when that special someone can't be. I'm not saying what she did was right but its not out of character. Everyone has the capability to do what she did if they were in the same situation. I know people who have come to me when their husband or boyfriend is gone for several days. I was there to talk with them and make sure that they weren't too lonely. but I never let it get out of hand even though they wanted to. . .

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Old 10-27-2010, 02:31 PM   #61
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Not following dude. What are you saying?
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Old 10-27-2010, 06:13 PM   #62
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Hell no that shouldn't be retconned away. In fact they should kill Jade again because of it, really.
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Old 10-27-2010, 06:36 PM   #63
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I'm pretty much against retconning stuff out entirely. If something was stupid to begin with, I'm OK if they retcon in an alternate explanation or mitigating circumstances, but don't erase it. Case in point, John and Xanshi. In the story when Xanshi was destroyed, John was portrayed COMPLETELY out of character. And Xanshi's destruction was a total plot device. Somebody HAD to fail to increase the drama, and they tapped John, and twisted his character to be arrogant and cocky so his failure would be more acceptable (his failure wasn't even reasonable within the confines of that series- they totally manipulated the circumstances to set him up for failure by treating his mission differently than any other, and practically broke the fourth wall at the end in showing that he was just pretty much doomed to fail).

So, yeah, IMHO, that was done VERY stupidly. But it has become such an integral part of his character now that retconning it out would be unthinkable. I wouldn't mind a retcon that showed him acting IN CHARACTER, yet failing anyway and still beating himself up over it, though.
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Well said.
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Old 10-28-2010, 01:43 PM   #65
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Not following dude. What are you saying?
No worries. It was just playing in my mind when you were talking about the lonely ladies turning to you. The difference being the guy in the song doesn't stop.
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Old 10-28-2010, 11:14 PM   #66
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No worries. It was just playing in my mind when you were talking about the lonely ladies turning to you. The difference being the guy in the song doesn't stop.
Gotcha. Haha.
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Old 05-03-2011, 01:04 PM   #67
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I say that it should stay. It happened. Whatever happened to continuity. If we start retconning all this stuff who's to say where it will stop. Nothing will be safe.
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Old 12-31-2011, 12:11 AM   #68
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Why retcon cheating when you can just retcon jade away into nothingness?
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:45 PM   #70
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Isn't Jade gone already thanks to the reintroduction of Earth 2? They could just say they never knew each other. GL fell off hard after Hate Crimes. What happened to Terry Berg?
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:10 PM   #71
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I think, the way things stand right now, the only relationship Kyle ever had in the DCnU is the one he had with Natu. In NG 1 Kyle's encounter with Ganthet was moved from LA to New York (Hence no Alexandra DeWitt) Alan Scott (and by association his Daughter) is now confined to Earth 2. Hence no relationship between Kyle and Jade.
Now I didn't forget Donna but her current status is like Wally West's (Very uncertain) therefore the relationship between Kyle and Donna is up in the air.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:29 AM   #72
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Although if there's no Jade (and I think you're right) what sparked Natu and Kyle's split.
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:53 AM   #73
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Things are screwed either way, but there could be ways to try and salvage it, if you completely alter history [not like history has been completely altered anyways] I nice cosmic like way they could keep it, is if one of the times he crosses the bleed into a different universe, he happens on Earth 2, and meets Jade, and they hook up for a bit but doesn't get as heavy as it did in the DCU [like how they're playing Guy's and Ice's relationship in JLI where they only dated a few times]

Of course they wouldn't do this since JSA isn't even introduced yet, and when they do Alan is probably going to be younger anyways, so Jade will most likely be younger too. Also it would involve crossing Earth's in the 5 years the DCnU has been maturing, and I doubt with the way they're handling things they'd want that at all.
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