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Old 12-21-2010, 06:24 AM   #1
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Default From Hal Jordan to ...Terry Berg?

What would happen if Terry Berg were created back in 1994 and not only
replaced Hal Jordan as the Green Lantern (on account of Ganthet giving
the ring to Terry instead of giving it to Kyle Rayner), but also became
the star of the third Green Lantern series?

How many GL fans would accept Terry Berg as the latest and only
Green Lantern remaining in the 90's?

Would GL Berg be respected to the DCU and Green Lantern fanbase
after he's placed on Grant Morrison's JLA comic run to make him an
interesting character back then in the 90's?

How would DCU fans feel towards Terry Berg after Hal Jordan returns?

And of course, would the third GL series comic sales rise up, down or
or somewhere in between once the comic title comes out?

Note: Terry Berg is an eighteen year old homosexual intern in
this scenario, but he's still an art assistant for Kyle Rayner who
would just be a supporting character for Berg (among others).


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Old 12-21-2010, 06:50 AM   #2
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........................ no! didn't like him then, still don't like him now, wouldn't like him no matter what
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:18 AM   #3
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This is a really interesting question. And to be honest, I have no idea. If all other factors (Marz as a writer, Banks as artist and costume designer, Hal calls himself Parallax and is trying to right wrongs on a cosmic scale now) were identical, one would assume that it still would have worked. Sure, we still would have had H.E.A.T., but if the only differences were the name, hair color and Green Lantern dating Obsidian instead of Jade, I see no reason why he wouldn't still be around.

However, if DC hit us over the head with Terry's sexuality with the subtlety of the Judd Winick run, there's a high chance that he would be an unimportant footnote now, like Extraño from the New Guardians.
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Old 12-21-2010, 01:47 PM   #4
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Sure, we still would have had H.E.A.T.,
Yeah, but they would've been the Homophobic Emerald Attack Team.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:10 PM   #5
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Well actually after Kyle was "killed" by Liana(sp female guardian the friggin HUGE blue chick), the ring went to Terry. This was resolved in one line during the first issue of Marz's finale run Homecoming. So yeah Terry was intended to get the ring. But back to having a gay GL, it would depend on how he is written. Obsidian is gay not a big deal and Northstar/Beast/Batwoman are gay and its written as a big deal. Even Wolverine's son Dakken(sp) is bisexual and even the writer makes it seem like a big deal and that can make a character kinda one dimensional, dull, and just lead into him dieing in the next big company crossover.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:17 PM   #6
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Let's not forget Wiccan & Hulkling. They are gay but not a huge deal made about it or the focal point of them
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Beast is not gay, though.
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Old 12-21-2010, 07:25 PM   #8
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No he isn't. Ultimate Colossus (sp?) was.
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Beast only mentioned that he "might be gay" during Grant Morrison's New X-Men run. That run was godawful, so make of Beast's comment what you will.
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That was one of my favorite runs on X-men. Not th art though. That was not so much with good.
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Yeah, the art was very incosistent, but the storylines were great. And Beast said "I think I might be gay" to break up with his girlfriend. He admitted in a later issue by the same writer that it was just an excuse to make it easier for her.
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Old 12-21-2010, 08:50 PM   #12
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Many comics creators are gay. I think for a while there was a push to bring more and more openly gay characters into comics, but that trend seems to have faded now. Probably because it didn't generate sales.
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Old 12-21-2010, 09:22 PM   #13
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How many gay comic creators can you think of? Mark Andreyko, Allan Heinberg, Phil Jimenez and Alison Bechdel are the only ones I can think of from the top of my head.
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I know of two creators who have been associated with GL in recent years who are gay. But it's up them to talk about it, not me. They're not "out" with it publicly.

And I'm sure there are many others in comics who are gay but not public about it.
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Im sure there are artist who are gay and not public about it.





(figured we were making general statements now) SMH
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Old 12-21-2010, 10:58 PM   #16
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Not to de-rail the topic but can a shapeshifter be classified as gay? A character that can change shape and appear, I am assuming to different genders (most other shifters can) can they really be classified in this manner.
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Old 12-21-2010, 11:00 PM   #17
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Skrulls have no default gender, Xavin of the Runaways confirmed that. Other shapeshifters might be a different story, though.
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Old 12-22-2010, 01:38 AM   #18
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Obsidian being gay was obtuse in the JSA. It seemed like, every time he made an appearance, someone had to comment on him being gay. If the run had been longer it might have become a running gag.

As for Terry ... he was a plot device in Winnik's run. I didn't like how Kyle was put off be him being gay as he had gay friends just prior to this plot. Annnnnd I thought him leaving Earth over terry being beaten was really stupid. Both in-chaarcter (way to leave when your friend needs you) and as a story (as Kyle's roots and humanity is what made the guy for me; he became more generic in this run).

Now, as for the idea of a gay GL in the 90's ... it'd probably fail big time. Not only would fans have to deal with Hal and the Corps being gone, but there'd be harems of men constructs in the books. Kyle was VERY hetero at first, making as many pretty girls as constructs as he could, therefore the book would be very gay. I dunno if the fanbase would be ready for that in the 90's. If I'm being honest, I'd have to admit that I'd have a harder time identifying with that in the comic than with the creation of pretty girls doing everything. If it were now, and I a seasoned GL fan, I'd probably stick with it. But, ET was my jumping-on point, so it'd probably just turn me off of the book. May not be PC, but that's how it'd be.
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Old 12-22-2010, 02:16 AM   #19
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Terry wouldn't be jealous of Jade in this scenario, because she might not
have met Kyle Rayner, but Berg and her would probably still have
a problem with each other for one reason or another.

Heck, maybe Berg will still be jealous towards Jade, but in this case, it'll
be because she would date or become close to a guy that he's fond of.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:24 AM   #20
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I have no doubt that if back in 1994 DC tried replacing Hal with a new gay character as GL, the idea wouldn't have lasted long. As soon as sales started to slip DC would've reversed it and gone in a different direction.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:08 PM   #21
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If terry had been made into the GL it would not have sold well,first he is a lame pansy type character,and not cuz he is gay. Second more people can identify with a character who is like them and the majority of people are heterosexual.
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:26 PM   #22
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I have no problems identifying with an invulnerable alien raised in Kansas, who shoots laser beams from his eyes.

Just saying.
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I didn't like Winnik's run, but thought Terry was okay. I can relate to a character whose tastes are different. If not I'd never read the women characters.
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I have no problems identifying with an invulnerable alien raised in Kansas, who shoots laser beams from his eyes.

Just saying.
Who also happens to be a white straight male. You gotta cater to your audience, even if you're pretending it's something different.
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Okay, how about this: A blue-furred demon-looking three-fingered mutant that was raised in a circus and teleports in sulphur-smelling clouds? I have no problem identifying with him.
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