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Old 10-18-2008, 04:35 AM   #1
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It was never a set law back in Vol 3 was it? It was up to the discretion of the Lantern.


I've recently read a few issues, mainly the Star Sapphire/Recruiting arc, and Hal says after they breach Flickers ship "secure the passengers, we don't want any deaths. Except maybe you, Flicker."

That's only one example, but I really don't think there was a "Lethal Force" rule prior to Geoff's run.
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Old 10-18-2008, 04:43 AM   #2
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Read GLC Quarterly. The ring outright stops Jack Chance from killing and when he uses it to kill indirectly he's transported right to OA.

Also, in Vol 2, the trial of Sinestro. The Lanterns have to really will the ring to kill. It's mentioned that the rings don't kill.

HOWEVER, earlier in V2, it's said that they shouldn't kill "unnessasarily" and Hal uses the ring later on to kill a space creature that's out of control.
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The "shouldn't" kill rule did not appear until the 70's. Before then it was apparently never mentioned. Now the ring shutting off when lethal force is attempted did not start until vol 3. It was rarely brought up in the main GL book, but was mentioned a few times in corps quarterly and once in mosaic.

I imagine before that the writers never considered a hero ever killing anyone so it was never addressed.
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Old 10-18-2008, 05:14 AM   #4
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The "shouldn't" kill rule did not appear until the 70's. Before then it was apparently never mentioned. Now the ring shutting off when lethal force is attempted did not start until vol 3. It was rarely brought up in the main GL book, but was mentioned a few times in corps quarterly and once in mosaic.

I imagine before that the writers never considered a hero ever killing anyone so it was never addressed.
Or the comics code reared it's ugly head to make sure our heroes didn't warp the minds of children :P
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That could be true.


I just asked this because so often I hear "The Hope Corps will be what the Green Lantern Corps used to be." I'm thinking to myself "No, the Green Lantern Corps have never been a Hope based Corps with Hopeful ideals, they've always been the Police of the Universe."

So that's where this stemmed from. Thanks for the tip on GLCQ tho, I still need those.
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Old 10-18-2008, 03:29 PM   #6
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It's just a very popular assumption based off the fact that the GLC is changing and that Ganthet is a Guardian.

Already there's differences, though. For one, Ganthet is the most "human" Guardian that isn't six feet under (the others are cold and distant). Secondly, the planet of his choice is lush and full of life while OA has always been barren due to the Guardian's deglect.
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If I remember corfreectly, one of the funadmental laws of the Corps was to protect/respect all life, which while never expressly saying 'don't kill' it could bde taken to mean 'don't kill anything sentient' since in Recharge the GLs take down Spider Guild younglings
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It's just a very popular assumption based off the fact that the GLC is changing and that Ganthet is a Guardian.

Already there's differences, though. For one, Ganthet is the most "human" Guardian that isn't six feet under (the others are cold and distant). Secondly, the planet of his choice is lush and full of life while OA has always been barren due to the Guardian's deglect.
Oa hasn't always been barren by any stretch of the imagination. And how do you know what planet the Blues are on? Did I miss something?
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In GL #25 when the 7 corps are introduced, Ganthet and Sayd create the blue ring in a planet filled with wildlife, but there is no mention of what planet it is
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Oh right...I sort of took that as a refuge for the two, but you could be right.
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Oa hasn't always been barren by any stretch of the imagination. And how do you know what planet the Blues are on? Did I miss something?
Well, technically right. OA was created full of life ... but due to the Guardian's neglect it became barren (causing the Zamarons to leave). At least according to Secret Origins (the series not the story arc).

Maybe I should have been clear about what I meant tho: in the stories it has always been presented as barren. At least in all the stories I've seen.
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I think it's fluctuated. I know I've seen clips where it looks like a spralling metropolis, and other times when its essentially flat and barren.
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I think it's fluctuated. I know I've seen clips where it looks like a spralling metropolis, and other times when its essentially flat and barren.
I don't think the ENTIRE planet's a city, though. I mean, there's only ever been a handful of Guardians and 7,200 GLs wouldn't fill an entire planet all by themselves (and they are hardly ever there all at once). I've only ever seen cities and barren landscapes on OA ... and now it doesn't even have a sun ...
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But don't forget Mosiac, when various cities from different planets were transported to Oa.
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But don't forget Mosiac, when various cities from different planets were transported to Oa.
That might be missing the point.

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Given that Oa's now been encased in a giant Green Lantern I think the whole argument's a tad moot now, since any life that was there has probably died due to green light exposure or lack of sunlight

In all the comics I've seen Oa's been a barren desert like planet, aside from the big city where the GLs seem to go to (In Passing The Torch, there is a scene with some grass and plants but it looked more like a park in the city than the countryside)

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Read GLC Quarterly. The ring outright stops Jack Chance from killing and when he uses it to kill indirectly he's transported right to OA.
At the end of the issue, they let him stay on as a GL, since there's no-one else elidgeable for the ring in the whole Sector, but they limit his ring to Garnet

However in Emerald Twilight he does go off world to stop Hal Jordan, maybe the Guardians can remove the limitation regarding to kill if they want, they could've removed the limitations on Chances ring and let him go off in the hopes he could kill Jordan before he reached Oa

They've already shown they can mess with the rings limitations when they removed the weakness to yellow from Yalan Gurs ring and added the weakness to wood to it
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There's one case in V2 where the Guardians hand out new rings with a number of new features including:
1) a signal.
2) the ability to change it's shape (liek into sunglasses or a bell).
3) the ring no longer is able to be controlled without direct contact. This is later ammended to it being worked in very close proximity.

Talking is rather spotty too. At first Hal wills his ring to talk. Then, soon after Green Arrow is given the boot, it's revealed that the ring never could talk and it was Hal's subconsious all along. And, in V3, the ring is programmed to talk with no fanfare.

Similarily, whether the yellow weakness is the Guardian's doing or not is similarily spotty.
- the origional implication with Sin's ring is that it's made completely of evil impurities.
- in V2, at least until issue 150, the Guardians cannot remove the ring's weakness and it's a nessasary impurity. At one point a filter is put on the ring, thusly removing it's impurity ... only the ring dies eventually.
- In AC Weekly and V3 it seems like the Guardians could remove the impurity whenever they wanted. Yalan's story attests to this, as does Lord Malvolio, and Kyle's ring.
- In V4 the impurity was due to Parralax and is surmountable once GLs learn to recognise fear.
- It only somewhat counts, but in "The Silver Age" miniseries, several villains overcome the impurity by using a shard from the jeweled mountains of Krypton in order to refract the ring's light. Similar to the filter isead. Only it worked this time.

Edit: Of course ALL this is besides the point that Ganthet and Sayd picked a planet full of life for their home in contrast to OA (along with their personalities being different) ... which means that the Blues might not be exactly like the GL Corps used to be. Mosaic Cities broought in by a mad Guardian for a few years nonwithstanding. There could be some surprises with the blues; that's all I'm saying.

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Old 12-09-2008, 06:58 AM   #18
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to be honest, when i first saw the planet that Ganthet and Sayd were on, i initially thought it was Mogo....unlikely i know
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Is it though? That's a very interesting thought...one I hadn't thought of anyway.

After all, Lanterns go to Mogo for help, and on some regards, he instills them with the Hope needed to continue their journey. I think it would be very fitting.
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I didn't take it to be Mogo. It might be fitting though. Even if a gigantic blue battery would be kind of hard to hide from his masters.

If you spin it, ALL the green give a certain amount of hope to whom they fight for ... although not all the greens are about hope.
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i hope it isn't Mogo, he is a GL. And it would be nice if it was a brand new planet
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maybe like Mogo's cousin, Blogo.....
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maybe like Mogo's cousin, Blogo.....
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maybe like Mogo's cousin, Blogo.....
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maybe like Mogo's cousin, Blogo.....
LOL, you just made my day with that.
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