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Old 12-19-2008, 11:31 PM   #1
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Default Did Kyle have the longest uninterrupted run in GL history?

From issue 51 to 181, that's 130 issues of Kyle with no cancellations. I don't think Hal has ever gone that long without being cancelled.
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:42 PM   #2
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From issue 51 to 181, that's 130 issues of Kyle with no cancellations. I don't think Hal has ever gone that long without being cancelled.
Do you have a note of the sales history for this run? And remember that, according to you, anything at 63,000 or below should be classified as a downward spiral, and signs that readers don't care about the character featured in the book.
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:42 PM   #3
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I think you're right, Absolon. I've run the dates.....

Hal's first volume of Green lantern:

Cancelled at #75 to become GL/GA
Cancelled at #89 for 4 years
Cancelled at #122, came back as GL
Cancelled at #200, became back as GLC
Cancelled at #224

Then it started with Vol. 3 which supported Hal for only 50 issues.

Looks like Hal's biggest uninterrupted run has been from Volume 2 #122 to #200. That's 79 issues against Kyle's 130. Kyle's score is the one to beat.
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:48 PM   #4
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Do you have a note of the sales history for this run? And remember that, according to you, anything at 63,000 or below should be classified as a downward spiral, and signs that readers don't care about the character featured in the book.
You put those numbers on a flow chart from the beginning of Vol 4 to the end and tell me those aren't pretty troubling.
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:55 PM   #5
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You put those numbers on a flow chart from the beginning of Vol 4 to the end and tell me those aren't pretty troubling.
Not really. As was stated in your Volume 4 Sales thread, aside from the very top tier of Marvel and DC, most comics series start off strong, then steadily decline in sales, getting boosts for major events. And Green Lantern's sales are still very strong, among DC's better-selling titles, meaning there's no danger, and it's far from troubling.

But you'd know this if you didn't run off to start another anti-Hal thread whenever your points are refuted in the previous one.

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Old 12-20-2008, 12:20 AM   #6
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Let's take it easy, guys.
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Old 12-20-2008, 02:25 AM   #7
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I think you're right, Absolon. I've run the dates.....

Hal's first volume of Green lantern:

Cancelled at #75 to become GL/GA
Cancelled at #89 for 4 years
Cancelled at #122, came back as GL
Cancelled at #200, became back as GLC
Cancelled at #224

Then it started with Vol. 3 which supported Hal for only 50 issues.

Looks like Hal's biggest uninterrupted run has been from Volume 2 #122 to #200. That's 79 issues against Kyle's 130. Kyle's score is the one to beat.
I dunno if being re-titled counts as being cancelled. Not unless there's some downtime involved.

That said, Kyle had a very good run. VERY good. I liked most of the stories in his run too.
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Old 12-20-2008, 03:18 AM   #8
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No wonder. Kyle's the Torchbearer
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Old 12-20-2008, 04:51 AM   #9
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Kyle rules for one simple reason:

He's the only GL to have covers done by JIM LEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:27 PM   #10
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He is the single longest running GL. He also had the best villains.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:37 PM   #11
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He is the single longest running GL. He also had the best villains.
Sinestro, the Sinestro Corps, Hector Hammond, Black Hand and Cyborg Superman beg to differ.

Plus, when you sit Kyle's 9 years as DC's flagship Green Lantern against Hal's 38 years, then I'd say the idea of him being the single longest-running GL is a little less clean-cut.
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Old 12-21-2008, 01:07 AM   #12
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Sinestro, the Sinestro Corps, Hector Hammond, Black Hand and Cyborg Superman beg to differ.

Plus, when you sit Kyle's 9 years as DC's flagship Green Lantern against Hal's 38 years, then I'd say the idea of him being the single longest-running GL is a little less clean-cut.
The way I see it, Hal often got his series canceled and restarted by DC. Kyle is the only one keeps going ....

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The way I see it, Hal often got his series canceled and restarted by DC. Kyle is the only one keeps going ....

Well, the only one that KEPT going.... until it got cancelled.

Though I don't know why I'm arguing so vigorously against Kyle. I like Kyle. And this is why I hate threads like this. They stir up conflict, and set up an "us VS them" dynamic where you often find yourself thrust into one side or the other, even if your actual opinions are more mediated. I really don't see the problem with the current status quo, where both Hal fans and Kyle fans have their favourite Green Lantern as an active hero.
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Old 12-21-2008, 04:25 AM   #14
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the real question we should be asking is "Did Kyle ever have any delays? And if so how many?"
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:09 AM   #15
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Well, the only one that KEPT going.... until it got cancelled.

Though I don't know why I'm arguing so vigorously against Kyle. I like Kyle. And this is why I hate threads like this. They stir up conflict, and set up an "us VS them" dynamic where you often find yourself thrust into one side or the other, even if your actual opinions are more mediated. I really don't see the problem with the current status quo, where both Hal fans and Kyle fans have their favourite Green Lantern as an active hero.
QFT

I like Kyle too. V4 has made me appreaciate Hal. Why can't we all just agree that GL is awsome?
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:29 AM   #16
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Well, the only one that KEPT going.... until it got cancelled.
Though people do seem to have the misconception that "Kyle's book" was cancelled because of sales. It wasn't doing cancellation numbers. It wasn't doing Geoff Johns numbers, certainly, but it wasn't in the red. Vol. 3 was ended to make a clean break to roll out the red carpet for Hal as part of an editorial directive, the same one that's "cancelling" the current volume of Flash to bring back in a new Barry volume.

"We're restoring our history," Didio says. "We're not making any apologies for it."

Or explanations. But let's not confuse the issue.
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Old 12-22-2008, 12:32 AM   #17
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Let's just all admit that the sixties are back in style. Hal's back, Barry's back, The Brave & the Bold is back
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Old 12-22-2008, 12:37 AM   #18
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Besides, as much as we all talk, any GL is a good GL. Except of course a rogue.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:58 AM   #19
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Some of you guys are assumming that Hal wasn't the star of GL for issues #76-122, and #201-224. He may have shared the title, but Hal was still the focus of the book during those times. Amd even during GL's 4 year haitus from 1972 to 1976, he was always in print on an almost monthly basis. Same for 1988 to 1990.

Anyhoo, that isn't to take away that Kyle had a very successful run. His character kept the book afloat for ten years, which is especially impressive if you consider the decline of comic sales for the industry the last 15 years.
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Old 12-22-2008, 07:00 PM   #20
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There is no one Green Lantern that is better than any other. Hal did get canceled alot. That is a fact. However there is always enough outcry for him to always bring him back. Kyle has a better running streak. That is a fact too. That said his sales were often not what DC had hopped for and that is why he had so many guest stars.
The point is if you wanna hate on a Green Lantern you may wanna pick one of the less popular ones because Hal and Kyle aren't going no where.
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Old 12-22-2008, 10:24 PM   #21
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If that's the case, let's pick on G'nort!
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Old 07-15-2009, 06:47 AM   #22
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From issue 51 to 181, that's 130 issues of Kyle with no cancellations. I don't think Hal has ever gone that long without being cancelled.
Let me get this right, so his has nothing to do with how much GL titles with Hal did vs Kyle? Cause I think your right, Kyle's run was a lot longer.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:32 PM   #23
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I think some people's definition of "cancellation" is rather broad. Hal's book was cancelled after the initial GL/GA run. Then it was cancelled after the GLC run because they wanted him to anchor Action Comics Weekly (not exactly a stinging rebuke for the character, that). And his tenure as GL was cancelled (even if the title wasn't) at ET. So MAX 3 times, by my count. That makes Hal's longest run 134 issues. (Though Kyle undoubtedly had more special issues during his run that didn't add to the numbering, so he might still come out ahead, all told.)

At no time was Hal absent from regular publication, until ET.

And for the record, I enjoy both GLs (as well as Guy Gardner and John Stewart, with Mosaic being one of my favorite runs of GL).
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Old 07-15-2009, 04:37 PM   #24
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Hal's current run, counting the intro series, is now well past four years, and in that time his comic has sold much better than Kyle's did at any time during Kyle's run. And it's not "only because of Geoff Johns," because Johns has written comics that didn't sell.

And I like it when people insinuate that Hal was "canceled over low sales" when the comic got rolled into ACW, or that Hal wasn't the star during the two years that the comic became the GLC and also during the ACW period. Just very dishonest there.

And something that always inlflated Kyle's sales was the fact that so many Hal fans had the foolish idea that they had to "show support" and keep buying the comic during the Kyle years, when really all they were doing was supporting Kyle. I used to argue myself blue in the face with them on the message boards that they should drop the comic in protest until Hal was brought back, but to no avail.

But with all that said, Kyle's run was quite respectable, especially in terms of its length. Nobody can dispute that.

Really the most important thing that Geoff Johns has done is to finally junk Denny O'Neil's horrible characterization of Hal, which plagued the character for 30 years. With Hal no longer an insecure self-doubter, he'll be a strong seller henceforth. And not dependent on the continued presence of Geoff Johns.
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Also, Hal's first run went from 1960 to 1970 without interruption (and it ran until 1972 with GA) . Comics just weren't published on a monthly basis back then. So run of 10 years is just as long as any other GL's, including Alan and Kyle, who both enjoyed basically ten year runs.
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