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Old 04-22-2017, 07:59 AM   #26
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Think about a television series. It can't depend on one particular writer, because a series uses up too far much material for that to be feasible. A series has to have a concept that's simple, clear and rich enough in story-producing potential that any competent writer can turn out good episodes for it.

When I hear comics readers say that only one particular writer can make a comic work, what I hear is that the concept of the comic isn't viable.

So what happened to Green Lantern? Why was its concept perfectly viable from 1959 until 1994, when DC bizarrely decided to nuke it, and why has the company not been able to get it back to where it once belonged?

The answer is that Geoff Johns doesn't really want to write Green Lantern. He makes up new stuff that's very loosely based on Green Lantern and that gets people excited for a while, but has no staying power. And even he can't make the changes he invents work for long, let alone can anyone who tries to follow him.

The answer is, they need to go back to writing Green Lantern. No reinvention of that wheel is going to roll.

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Old 04-22-2017, 12:30 PM   #27
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The Deus ex Machina that is the Guardians just leads to more confusion though when you get down to it. They always have plans for whatever the universe has in it's future but then something always goes to shit that they somehow didn't see coming with all their grande power. Sure that works once or twice but now we've seen it to death. The only times that the Guardians were worth a damn, IMHO, was when they were BEHIND the scenes behind the scenes. You maybe saw them or heard something about them once or twice a year. And when you DID see them, it was when one was communicating with a Lantern like Hal or it was one of those "oh shit, the Guardians came outside?!?" situations like Willy Wonka.

I'm fine with the Guardians being around and having an impact without taking away four pages of character development from other characters every other issue. The Guardians have had like 100x the panel time that Hal's former civilian life has had since he returned from the grave even before the New52. The editors of the GL books should be ashamed of that fact after they made such a big deal about getting him back to basics and his test pilot roots.

And where we're at now in the comics with so few GL's left, John joining forces with the Sinestros, and Baz and Jess not even getting involved with what's going on with the rest of the Corps... it makes absolutely no sense. The Renegade Hal arc made more sense than this direction.

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I'd be on board with the Guardians being mostly behind the scenes. I just think they need to exist and be the organizing force behind the GLC. The trend you note of the Guardians taking up so much panel time? I didn't enjoy that either, mostly because they seemed to be taking up panel time in an effort to show the reader how bad they were, and I could have done without THAT trend (thanks Geoff!) completely. To me, the ideal Guardians are essentially benevolent, perhaps a bit out of touch with mortal concerns, but ultimately wise and possessing virtually limitless knowledge. They aren't the GL's pals, but they can generally be trusted. When they make mistakes, they shouldn't be so boneheaded that the reader is rolling their eyes, they should be things that I, if I'm honest, feel like I could have gotten wrong myself...or things that I wouldn't have even attempted to get right because I know my limitations, but which the Guardians felt compelled to attempt because they have less limitations and have taken on a frightening amount of responsibility.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:47 PM   #28
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The AI of Central Power Battery should run the GLC. It should choose new Lanterns and occasionally hand out assignments. The Guardians should be ascended beings who remain in this universe but are beyond everything. The CPB and the GLC are their departing gifts to those they left behind.

The CBP can't be second-guessed or bitched at the way the Guardians were. It won't be a source of cheap conflict for the writers. That's the beauty of it.

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I thought Mogo was the driving force behind the rings selecting new Lanterns, not the CPB?

Getting basic info during missions from the ring's AI is one thing, but it shouldn't have EVERYTHING. The Book of Oa is a much better plot point than simply saying the CPB can do all of this other stuff.

I've always wondered what it'd be like for Stel to jack into the battery.

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I thought Mogo was the driving force behind the rings selecting new Lanterns, not the CPB?

Getting basic info during missions from the ring's AI is one thing, but it shouldn't have EVERYTHING. The Book of Oa is a much better plot point than simply saying the CPB can do all of this other stuff.

I've always wondered what it'd be like for Stel to jack into the battery.

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I wonder if it would be as trippy as what happened to Hal in the Graphic Novel "Will World".

I remember once trying to figure out how many times Hal has gone into the CPB. I think I came up with 6 or 7 times, but I could have missed one or two. He might as well move in and start decorating, as often as he ends up in there.

As to the ring's selection, that has varied over the years. Mogo being involved was a relatively recent development (though was retconned to have been the case for quite some time). I think at various times the Guardians have decided who got them, the rings' AI has decided, or (as in Hal's first origin), the ring simply evaluated candidates based on criteria supplied by the ring's previous owner. Other than the Mogo thing, I could see all those versions coexisting, depending on individual circumstances. Once they retconned it into being Mogo who did it, it seemed like somehow the process was just totally stymied when Mogo wasn't available.
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... I think at various times the Guardians have decided who got them, the rings' AI has decided, or (as in Hal's first origin), the ring simply evaluated candidates based on criteria supplied by the ring's previous owner. Other than the Mogo thing, I could see all those versions coexisting, depending on individual circumstances. . .
There were also instances of GLs picking their successors when they knew they were going to die or retire.
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Kyle or somebody just needs to reshape an asteroid belt into a new planet Oa so that Mogo can be freed up for other stuff. Ever since the 'bore beasts' were introduced in Winick's Kyle run I've wanted to see one of those speak for Mogo while the planet itself is half a universe away. Just slap a GL singlet on it ala Voz and it's ready to go.

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