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Old 06-27-2011, 03:14 PM   #51
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So, when the F is the new Trek movie going to come out? It's been 2 years with nothing in sight.........
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:14 PM   #52
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sometime in 2012 (hopefully before the end lol)
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That's your choice. But you are creating that "problem" for yourself. The decision of whether it "killed" off that history isn't yours to make in any official way, and those whose decision it IS disagree with you 100%. So just keep that in mind.

The only "problem" you are facing here is totally of your own creation. Neither I nor anybody else can take away your right to get upset about something, even if it doesn't exist, but don't expect a lot of sympathy, from me at least.
I believe you, but how can TNG continuity count if there's not even a Vulcan? Some things must be affected.
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:45 PM   #54
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It's an alternate universe. That's made quite clear in the film.
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Shouldn't Spock have a goatee then?
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Old 06-28-2011, 01:34 PM   #56
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It's an alternate universe. That's made quite clear in the film.
Is it? Spock's bit about recalling how that wasn't supposed to happen suggested he was out of his time stream (altered by the rogue Romulans) not his universe.
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The beauty is, you can still pop in your 60s or TNG dvds...anytime you want. Thousands of episodes still exist in your collection. Them rewriting history for the new movies doesn't take that away. Enjoy what you want from the past, they weren't making new tv shows in that continuity anyway (because they drove the franchise into the ground).

And honestly, have the people behind Star Trek done ANYTHING worth remembering after TNG ended? You can take Voyager, DS9, and Enterprise and light them all up with a match for all I care. The new movie blew it all away. And it was by FAR the best movie out of all 11 of them. Even Wrath Of Khan is left in the dust.
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:26 PM   #58
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I believe you, but how can TNG continuity count if there's not even a Vulcan? Some things must be affected.
In the original timeline where TNG continuity does count there is a vulcan, but no romulus, so the timeline was skewed even further.
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Either way, you're never going to see new movies or tv shows based on the old continuity again. The only thing they could have done would have been to go even further into the future. It's better off the way it is now.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:54 PM   #60
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And honestly, have the people behind Star Trek done ANYTHING worth remembering after TNG ended? You can take Voyager, DS9, and Enterprise and light them all up with a match for all I care. The new movie blew it all away. And it was by FAR the best movie out of all 11 of them. Even Wrath Of Khan is left in the dust.
Your sarcasm is not lost on us.

I loved the last film...as a scifi action film. As a Star Trek film, it ranks near the bottom, as they got countless stuff just plain wrong, alternate timeline nonwithstanding. (Don't worry, the shitball that was Star Trek V is still worse by many orders of magnitude.)
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It's an alternate universe. That's made quite clear in the film.
I'm quite cool with that, if that's what Paramount is saying. I went with 3 Trekkies, however, and we did not find that clear in the movie. If anything, the fact that they use time travel, from a plot point, seemed to be so they could reboot Star Trek. I'm fine with it either way, because ...

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The beauty is, you can still pop in your 60s or TNG dvds...anytime you want. Thousands of episodes still exist in your collection. Them rewriting history for the new movies doesn't take that away. Enjoy what you want from the past, they weren't making new tv shows in that continuity anyway (because they drove the franchise into the ground).

Yep. That's how I feel about Highlander. Everything after the first movie essentially re-wrote it but that doesn't keep me from putting in the disk and enjoying it on it's on basis.
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"I've never trusted Klingons and I never will."
<shrug> Okay then...
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Absolutely!
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A question, but first...Star Wars rules...do you guys like watching the updated original series? Y'know, the ones where the Enterprise is cgi'd up and other effects are spruced up to make it more modern?

I'm not the biggest Trekkie, never saw a movie that wasn't TNG, but I could go either way on these. I like the original because of the nolstalgia factor, but the updated ones are cool too...you?
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I'm of two minds. I don't like it so much when they take stuff that already had decent effects for the period, and polish them up too much so they don't exactly FIT. However, there are cases where, in the original they didn't have the budget to, say, actually design a new ship model, so instead a ship is never shown, or represented by a sparkly light. I like it when they fix that kind of cheesy cost-cutting...
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A question, but first...Star Wars rules...do you guys like watching the updated original series? Y'know, the ones where the Enterprise is cgi'd up and other effects are spruced up to make it more modern?

I'm not the biggest Trekkie, never saw a movie that wasn't TNG, but I could go either way on these. I like the original because of the nolstalgia factor, but the updated ones are cool too...you?
I've watched those enhanced TOS episodes on Blu ray, but I think I stopped. It looks neat to see a rendered NC 1701 the first time or two, but doesn't really add anything.
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I went with 3 Trekkies, however, and we did not find that clear in the movie.
It was referred to on-screen, and I quote, as "an alternate reality." It doesn't get much clearer than that.
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This was back when I was in college so I was more worried about getting laid than watching Trek.
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You'd be wrong. According to Paramount, the prime timeline still exists. (That's why it's called "prime." JJ's stuff is officially called "the alternate reality.")
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Sorry for splitting this into multiple posts...kept timing out otherwise.
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do you guys like watching the updated original series? Y'know, the ones where the Enterprise is cgi'd up and other effects are spruced up to make it more modern?
Yep. I bought all of TOS on Blu-ray, and checked out the episodes with the updated effects. I love the fact that they were so painstakingly done; they actually "fit" in with the rest of the footage, and looked like they always could've been there. They didn't go flashy; they just went for a simply look. It doesn't look like the Star Wars special editions, where the CGI was glaringly different from the original model work or other effects.
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I'm not the biggest Trekkie, never saw a movie that wasn't TNG, but I could go either way on these. I like the original because of the nolstalgia factor, but the updated ones are cool too...you?
That's why I love the fact that the BRDs have both versions on the discs, and pressing the Angle key on the remote switches between them on the fly.
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It was referred to on-screen, and I quote, as "an alternate reality." It doesn't get much clearer than that.
Who said that? Spock? In the ice cave or at the end? It seems familiar.

I guess when we heard that, we figured the alternate reality would just be the reality before the Romulans altered it with time travel. Spock traveled through time, right? He didn't cross dimensions, did he?

I mean, if that's what they mean, great, but why'd they even bother with time travel then? Why not just do a straight up Romulan war?
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Who said that? Spock? In the ice cave or at the end? It seems familiar.
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I guess when we heard that, we figured the alternate reality would just be the reality before the Romulans altered it with time travel. Spock traveled through time, right? He didn't cross dimensions, did he?

I mean, if that's what they mean, great, but why'd they even bother with time travel then? Why not just do a straight up Romulan war?
No. They went back in time, but the Narada's incursion in 2233 created an alternate timeline that split off from the prime one.
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No. They went back in time, but the Narada's incursion in 2233 created an alternate timeline that split off from the prime one.
That's cool, thanks. So we can follow either continuity. I like that.

I also, apparently, have to re-watch this film.
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did anyone ever stop and think that maybe, just maybe JJ and Paramount boys came up with "it's all happening in an "alternate reality" b/s just to suit up the fan boys and they don't know what their talking about when it comes to f@cking with the timeline? cause if it's true WHEN WHY DID THEY EVEN HAVE TO GO BACK IN TIME TO FIX THAT WATCH GOT F@CK WITH TO BEGIN WITH?



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