Xbox One

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Figured we might as well just start a thread on it.

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Microsoft confirms 'pre-owned fee' for Xbox One

Mandatory game installation required for all games; second install on separate Live account sits behind paywall

Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.

The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.

The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.

The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games

[Fearless]

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Originally Posted by fearless2814.1

Xbox One = No backwards compatibility

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No shock there at all.

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Xbox One Will Not Function Without Kinect Attached
Xbox's UK marketing director has said that without Kinect connected, Xbox One will not function.

After a Microsoft-hosted London event around the Xbox One reveal, Xbox's UK marketing director Harvey Eagle has said that the console will not function without Kinect connected.

"Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes," he said. Asked whether the Xbox One will accommodate people who perhaps play in their bedroom rather than their living room, Eagle replied: "Yes, absolutely. We use the living room almost as a moniker - that's where we assume the best screen is in the house. But if you like to play in any other room in the house, the Xbox One will deliver the same quality of experience whatever the environment."

As anyone who's ever tried to play with Kinect in an enclosed area knows, the current technology simply doesn't support it - which means that Xbox One's new Kinect sensor must be significantly different if it will work in any room in the house.

[JohnnyV]

Goddamnit Microsoft, why you have to destroy everyone's buzz with the one disc to one console bullshit (unless you pay a fee)? It's just getting more retarded as the money grubbing non-sense continues.

Can you imagine in the SNES days if you couldn't take your copy of Mortal Kombat over to a buddy's house to play it? Without asking for your parent's credit card info. That's exactly the same concept here.

[Robinson]

you guys act like you have friends that:

a) you still go to their houses and play video games

b) dont already own the same games you have.

[Lantern A-train]

^^ Pretty much.

[JohnnyV]

That's actually the case for many of my friends. And it's representative of the money grubbing. I can't award that kind of behavior. DLC already on a disc, only allowing a disc THAT A PERSON OWNS AND PAID FOR to be played on a single console; the shit needs to stop.

["Chosen"]

Originally Posted by Robinson

you guys act like you have friends that:

a) you still go to their houses and play video games

b) dont already own the same games you have.

a) I do, and quite frequently.
b) they don't, at least not all. very few I might add.

[Booster Beetle]

This console is gonna be shit, Im definitely getting the PS4

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Originally Posted by Robinson

you guys act like you have friends that:

a) you still go to their houses and play video games

b) dont already own the same games you have.

I will concede point B, but point A is moot, at least for me. I don't do online play. Can't stand it. So, yeah, I hang out with my friends in order to play with them.

[Lantern A-train]

Funny enough I'm usually the guy people would have to bring the games to. I'm just curious what the charge is. It can't be the full cost of the game and they say that after the fee is paid that person you lent it to will have it saved to their HDD so they can play it without the disc. Does this mean they now have the full game at a cheaper price and if so whats to stop people from splitting the cost of the game and then loading it onto two Xboxes. They did say that once it is installed you wouldn't need the disc anymore to play.

[Mister Ed]

It's funny how Steam somehow manages to allow me to go to pretty much anybody's house and play the games I own for no fee whatsoever, but somehow Microsoft can't figure out how to do that.

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Lantern A-train

Funny enough I'm usually the guy people would have to bring the games to. I'm just curious what the charge is. It can't be the full cost of the game and they say that after the fee is paid that person you lent it to will have it saved to their HDD so they can play it without the disc. Does this mean they now have the full game at a cheaper price and if so whats to stop people from splitting the cost of the game and then loading it onto two Xboxes. They did say that once it is installed you wouldn't need the disc anymore to play.

Which says to me that the "fee" could very well be the full cost of the game, or near enough that they make roughly the same profit.

Why would they make the "fee" substantially less than the full cost? They WANT to kill all reselling of games. This obviously will kill rentals, since rentals are made functionally the same as purchasing the game.

[Lantern A-train]

Which then leads to the question of what if the person who paid said fee to borrow your game doesnt want to keep it. Are they reimbursed? Maybe this thing is like a rental where the fee you pay is only for a limited time and once that time is up you can't play it anymore or get charge another fee like when you don't return a rental on time.

[Robinson]

just take your xbox to your friends.


and if the games get installed onto the hd and you have a full hdd and uninstall a game, are you able to reinstall it at no charge?

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Lantern A-train

Which then leads to the question of what if the person who paid said fee to borrow your game doesnt want to keep it. Are they reimbursed? Maybe this thing is like a rental where the fee you pay is only for a limited time and once that time is up you can't play it anymore or get charge another fee like when you don't return a rental on time.

I guess that could work, from Microsoft's standpoint anyway. It would still kill rentals and reselling, because what kind of rental fee can you charge if the customer then has to pay Microsoft on top of that, and who would ever buy a used copy if they only got it for a limited time before they had to pay again?

[Lantern A-train]

Well I meant the rental fee would be charged by Xbox but then again you would still need the game to download. There are just many question that arise from this which we won't get till E3 most likely.

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Robinson

just take your xbox to your friends.

Not ideal if you've got your Xbox running everything including the kitchen sink, like they clearly WANT you to do.

[Robinson]

you sink aint running if you aint home is it?

[Mister Ed]

Originally Posted by Robinson

you sink aint running if you aint home is it?

If you live alone, I suppose. Lots of people don't. If my kid wanted to take the Xbox to a friend's house to play, and everything was routed through it, I'd say, "Nope. Sorry."

[Frank Castle]

It's a dumb move either way. I pray that the public don't go along with this, like they have for day1 DLC and other bs. If people actually accept this and Sony and other companies start doing it....well screw everything.

[Marvelous Iggy]

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[Rotten2thecorps]

Yeah this fuggs me over pretty hard. Because most of the games I play are fighting games that I want to play with a specific friend,that I see often. The Injustice copy that I am playing right now is his copy. The only game we don't go over to each others houses and Play is Marvel Vs Capcom 2.

This kinda kills a tradition with me and him, I have been playnig games with my best friend since the 8 bit days. Now we have to cough up well over 100 bucks just to play a game? I am afraid that just is not gonna happen. Why dose the industry hate casual gamers so much?