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[Ωmega Man]

It wouldn't lose 90 million because the only green in it would be energy beams and bubbles LOL

Can't go from one hero to four and think a movie is gonna be cheaper. If Power Rangers only had one lead it wouldn't have cost 100 million to make...

~//V\\~

[Trey Strain]

Originally Posted by Booster Beetle

I don't know why you guys still bother trying to have a conversation with him, he always knows what's best for the GL mythos and we're all idiots

If you're going to tell people what I think, and miss it by that much, then let me clarify it for you. You're the only person here I'd call an idiot. And you've worked hard to earn that crown.

If anyone didn't get what I was saying about that movie not losing $90 million, then let me clarify. I wasn't talking about the budget. (Although with no ring constructs, which is the way I'd have done it, the budget would have been a lot lower.) I meant that more people would have come to see it. It's just a better story.

[Trey Strain]

Here's another reason that the Guardians should be kept off-camera most of the time, and not arguing with the Lanterns. When they send the Lanterns on a dangerous assignment, a legitimate question for the Lanterns to ask them is, "Wait, why don't YOU sons of bitches do this? Why are you sending US?"

It's better to just make that a moot point.

["Chosen"]

Originally Posted by Trey Strain

It's just a better story.

... ONLY, in your mind. I wouldn't want to see that.

[Trey Strain]

Are 3,600 Green Lanterns enough to cover the entire universe? Are 7.200?

Well, there are believed to be about 1 followed by 24 zeroes stars in the universe. That's an awfully big number, and it encompasses an awfully large area. And nobody knows how many stars might support technological civilizations.

So why try to put a number on it? Instead, just keep it vague and say there are as many or as few Lanterns as there need to be.

Just like we don't need to know exactly how many years there have been any super-heroes on Earth. Or need to know exactly how tall all the super-heroes are.

Writers shouldn't worry about things like that. They should worry about telling stories. That's plenty to keep them occupied.

[Trey Strain]

But that certainly doesn't mean that having six Earth Lanterns was an OK idea.

In the days when the task of getting just one more Lantern besides Kyle seemed impossible, nobody dreamed that DC would ever create a huge problem like this. The company went from saying, "The market won't support more than one Lantern, you imbeciles!" to "Here a Corps, there a Corps, everywhere a Corps-Corps!"

I just hope that nobody at DC gets the idea of starting an Earth Corps, or a Hal Corps. Don't put it past them to do that.

Instead of a Lantern insignia on their chests, maybe they'd have an E, for Earth. Or an H, for Hal.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Trey Strain

I'm going to repost something that I posted earlier but deleted. It's what should have happened in the GL movie, and it's what should happen in a reboot of Green Lantern.

Sinestro and Abin Sur live on Korrugar. Sur is a Green Lantern, and Sinestro is jealous of him. The Weaponers of Qward offer Sinestro a yellow ring with which to kill Sur. In return they want Sinestro to use Sur's green ring to give them a portal through which to enter this universe. They plan to destroy the Green Lantern Corps in a surprise attack. They tell Sinestro they'll let him rule Korrugar, but they actually want to kill him, and to loot Korrugar and many other worlds.

After Sinestro assassinates Sur, the CPB gives power rings and batteries to Hal, Guy, John and Kyle. Sinestro sees a chance to put these unsuspecting rookies to work helping him conquer and subjugate Korrugar.

Meanwhile the Qwardians enter this universe and attack the GLC. The Earth Lanterns finally figure out what's going on and join with the Corps to fight Sinestro and the Qwardians.

The Corps defeats the Weaponers and drives them back to their universe, but Sinestro escapes with Sur's ring and power battery.

The Earth Lanterns then start deciding what they're going to do with their rings.

***

That movie wouldn't have lost $90 million.

THAT is your idea for a GL movie? That is awful! Don't quit your day job man, you aren't meant to be a writer.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

Jesus, that sounds like the drizzling shits....

[Trey Strain]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Dave Targaryen I

Jesus, that sounds like the drizzling shits....

Says the guy who refuses to read any of it. If you think what you saw on the screen was better than that, then you need a brain enema. A drizzling one. But of course everyone in entitled to an opinion. You shared yours, and that's mine.

You don't want want any reboot and you want the origin to be just like John Broome wrote it 60 years ago, God damn it, and get off my lawn. I get that.

But Hollywood movies don't get made for a few longtime fanboys on message boards. Unlike you, the people who would go to a GL movie don't know or care one single shit about any of that. Or about Hal getting Abin Sur's ring. Or about Hal being the only GL in it. They come without preconceptions, and they want to see a good story. Nothing else.

"It's not enough like the old funny book to suit me" means nothing to them. Only to you and a few other people.

[Trey Strain]

In fact, very few GREEN LANTERN READERS are interested in the things you're going to the mat for, or go to message boards to fight for them. Let alone do any movie goers. If a few hardcore fanboys throw a fit and go away, that's not a loss. It's a gain.

Anyway, they're like those people who said they'd move to Canada if Trump won. They ain't going anywhere. But hey, if they do, then -- BYE!

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

So you want to do away with the iconic origin of Hal meeting Abin Sur, and Abin passing his ring and lantern to him in his dying moments? All to trade in for what, four humans getting rings simulteously in a boring generic fashion? The most memorable super heroes are the ones with great origins. Batman, Superman, Spiderman and Flash all have memorable origins. And the ONLY two GLs that have origins that are the least bit interesting are Alan and Hal. Why you would want to cripple the interest level to a franchise right out of the gate only speaks to your weird desire to see four human GLs start out at the same time in some strange socialist experiment where they are all generically the same at the beginning. I suspect your only real reason for that is your love of Guy Gardner and the hopes that if you strip away anything cool about the other three than Guy would stand out by virtue of his colorful personality.

I'm not even opposed to some changes to the story in a movie for the sake of making it work. For example, the killer of Abin SHOULD be the villain, just not Sinestro. Maybe the Manhunters could be a tool of Sinestro instead of the Qwardians. Or whatever. I just think your ideas are bad. Hal not having Abin's ring to me is almost sucking the cool out of the mythos intentionally.

I think this idea if doing Lethal Weapon in space as a buddy cop movie with Hal and John teaming up is fantastic, and I hope it turns out much better than the 2011 movie. Just move on and not do another origin movie. Perhaps do a recap set to music in the opening credits like they did in the Hulk reboot movie and move on with the story.

You can make changes to a movie, but there's no reason to reboot the comic. All of the problems can be done away with the stroke of a pen without burning everything down.

[Trey Strain]

It's a business. It's about making a profit. It's not about producing something that lets a few fanboys who have long aged out of the target market check off all the boxes on their long and yellowing list of demands.

A handful of fanboys on a message board can't even support an ongoing comic book, let alone a movie. A dollar spent with passion isn't worth more than several dollars spent dispassionately. That's what fanboys don't get.

[Trey Strain]

Yes, test pilots are on the way out. Hal needs a new profession.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/07/tech...ers/index.html

[Mister Ed]

Uh, oh! Maybe race car drivers will be on the way out soon, too!

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/fut...ace-car-future

(Just out of curiosity, why did you link that particular article? It said nothing about test pilots, and seemed to be making the point that while the technology to replace commercial pilots with automation is on the near horizon, public perception is going to be a major barrier to that.)

[Mister Ed]

From what I can find, the issue isn't really that test pilots are going to disappear (it seems like they actually aren't, though they need less of them, and the job is a LOT safer now than it used to be) but that it is no longer a high-profile, glamorous profession that captures the public imagination like it used to. It no longer serves so effectively as shorthand for the type of character that Green Lantern is supposed to be.

I'm not sure race car driver really captures the same sense of fearlessness that test pilot did when Hal's character was created, but I think you would be right to point out that TEST PILOT no longer projects that same sense, either. I wouldn't really object that much to a change of his profession to race car driver, especially since GL's "day job" USUALLY ends up being window dressing, anyway.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Trey Strain

Yes, test pilots are on the way out. Hal needs a new profession.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/07/tech...ers/index.html

I've mentioned this before, but you seem to not believe me or not care.

(1) Hal hasn't been shown at his day job literally in years at this point.

(2) When he last did have an Earth job, it was as an Air Force Pilot (which still exists).

(3) I don't think he has that job either anymore because the last time he went to earth he mentioned not having anything left there including an apartment. Now, in the New 52 it had been mentioned that he worked for Ferris between his first and second enlistments, but as far as I can tell Hal has not been shown punching the clock as a test pilot since the 90s. It is not his job. So, you may as well cite articles about why Jason Todd shouldn't be Robin.

[Trey Strain]

Yes, Hal needs another profession. But Ferris doesn't need to be flushed. In a reboot they could be, for example, a racing company.

The other alternative is to reboot the DCU so that it becomes a period piece, set before the explosion of computer technology.

But something's got to give.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...utomation-jobs

[BLACK HAND]

I don't know if anyone else agrees with this or maybe this is the way it already is, but I always kind of hoped the power rings were made more powerful, like to the point where if a users will is strong enough it can alter aspects of reality in startling ways. I would not really leave anything out of the realm of possibility when it came to the power rings; time travel, dimensional hoping, teleportation, shrinking the user down to the quantum level; the ring is only limited by will and imagination. I think the comic would take on a structure more like the Marvel's Ultimate series where the Lanterns only dealt with threats so unimaginably huge and daunting that only something as powerful as the Green Lantern ring can deal with it; potentially universe shattering threats. The title would be more of a deep dive into science fiction with snippets of science reality thrown in, and really go crazy exploring some of the meta-physical and allegorical elements of the DC cosmos. Really take the gloves off and make GL a needed cornerstone of the universe.

[Mister Ed]

Well in the Silver Age the ring had those kind of crazy capabilities, but they didn't really capitalize on them. They would have a single story where Hal would do something seriously crazy with the ring, then never use that ability again, and he'd go back to rounding up bank robbers and stuff between the super villains.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Mister Ed

Well in the Silver Age the ring had those kind of crazy capabilities, but they didn't really capitalize on them. They would have a single story where Hal would do something seriously crazy with the ring, then never use that ability again, and he'd go back to rounding up bank robbers and stuff between the super villains.

It's true. I think one time he used it to read someone's mind, but then that never came up again even though it would be really helpful. Ditto time traveling, walking through walls, altering his appearance, etc.

[Mister Ed]

He turned himself into an envelope once and had Tom mail him to the bad guys' hideout. (I didn't actually remember that one, but it came up in a search for some of the craziest things the ring has done. I'm curious under what circumstances that would be better than just a normal attack, since he obviously knew where they were if he was mailed there. EDIT: Apparently he didn't know where they were. They were some kind of spies and he turned himself into a letter which they then stole for some reason.)

Heck, he ACCIDENTALLY turned Tom into a SEAGULL once, because his dreaming mind controlled the ring.

[Space Cop]

^I like the seagull one. It's probably not logical that a will-powered ring should work from a subconscious/unconscious thought, but it was fun.

[Mister Ed]

Didn't he use the ring to "de-evolve" somebody once? Or maybe they had been "de-evolved" and he used the ring to evolve them?

[Space Cop]

^That sounds familiar, but I don't remember the specifics.

[Trey Strain]

"Power creep" is a pervasive phenomenon in comics. Fans claim that greater power will spur the writers to more imaginative efforts, and the comics companies oblige them by making the protagonists more powerful.

But in fact just the opposite happens. The stories then become less imaginative.

When a character has LESS power, a writer needs to use more imagination to have him win his conflicts.

And the whole universe doesn't need to be threatened three or four times a year. We've seen that too many times now. It's old.