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Old 12-15-2009, 04:05 PM   #51
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maybe enough lanterns will hope for Kyle's resurrection, it shouldn't take as many to bring him back as it did the sun.lol B.L.s probably can't use the rings for self fulfilling reasons.
it takes nowhere NEAR that many.

hell, 1 could argue that this feat rivals wat Kyle as Ion 2.0 did in #12 of his maxi (as well as questioning exactly how NOT powerful entity-hosts actually are.)





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There has been no evidence of the Blue rings resurrecting anyone so it's a safe assumption that it won't be happening anytime soon. Besides, the Black rings are the only ones that can reanimate the dead. It cheapens death if multiple rings could perform that feat.
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There has been no evidence of the Blue rings resurrecting anyone so it's a safe assumption that it won't be happening anytime soon. Besides, the Black rings are the only ones that can reanimate the dead. It cheapens death if multiple rings could perform that feat.
your talking about death in the comic book world right?
as in Jason Todd amongst many, many other characters who "die" and another lantern ring who could bring back the dead would cheapen that? how so?
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When characters die and are reborn, people stop caring about it. Death in comics hasn't been big since Superman died. Why? Because they come back a couple of months later. Death has changed from a permanent condition to an obstacle to be overcome. The more you kill off characters with the knowledge of their pending resurrection, the less you tend to care. Take Kyle for example- nobody is sweating his death because WE ALL KNOW he'll be reborn at some point. It's the same with Batman's death.
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There has been no evidence of the Blue rings resurrecting anyone so it's a safe assumption that it won't be happening anytime soon. Besides, the Black rings are the only ones that can reanimate the dead. It cheapens death if multiple rings could perform that feat.
no-one is arguing that they HAVE, but whether or not they possibly COULD.

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Death in comics hasn't been big since Superman died.
actually, Id say it hasnt been big going back to the Return of Jean Grey..........




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didnt johns say the blue lanterns are the most powerfull of all corps? from the stuff ive seen for glc 43 i sence a possible ressurection when both guy and the chick were telling the gl ring to shut up hes alive. and the black ring didnt necasarilly bond with kyle as far as what ive seen. is guy's rage and sonikas hope the reason maybe kyle may don a blue ring?
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When characters die and are reborn, people stop caring about it. Death in comics hasn't been big since Superman died. Why? Because they come back a couple of months later. Death has changed from a permanent condition to an obstacle to be overcome. The more you kill off characters with the knowledge of their pending resurrection, the less you tend to care. Take Kyle for example- nobody is sweating his death because WE ALL KNOW he'll be reborn at some point. It's the same with Batman's death.
thats my point. death in comics is already cheapened as is. what difference would it make if a lantern ring could revive the dead? its cheap enough as is.
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I still believe that Indigo rings can resurrect the dead... Or perhaps Blue+Indigo
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Technically the red ring kills you. If you take it off, you're dead. It destroys your heart and replaces your blood with acid and makes you vomit it out. Walker threw his ring on Jordan and it restored his heart and replaced his blood. I think technically the blue ring brought Hal back, because the red ring acted the same as a ventilator... life support.
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I dont think Walker brought Jordan back from the dead, as Jordan (as well as Guy) still wore their Ring even tho they were under "the Rage", and had they been dead that wouldnt have been the case.




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thats my point. death in comics is already cheapened as is. what difference would it make if a lantern ring could revive the dead? its cheap enough as is.
Why further cheapen death? It's already a joke. If multiple characters have the power of resurrection, why should anyone care?
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The red ring still keeps the wearer alive on life support. So walker's ring only recreated Hal's blood and got his heart pumping again, but he was never dead.

Kyle however, I get the idea that Johns wanted him gone a while ago. And now he finally gets the chance after years of making him slightly less than third rate and in the background. He has never appeared in the main GL book, or JLA, just as one of over a dozen lead characters in the GLC book.
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When characters die and are reborn, people stop caring about it. Death in comics hasn't been big since Superman died. Why? Because they come back a couple of months later. Death has changed from a permanent condition to an obstacle to be overcome. The more you kill off characters with the knowledge of their pending resurrection, the less you tend to care. Take Kyle for example- nobody is sweating his death because WE ALL KNOW he'll be reborn at some point. It's the same with Batman's death.
I think this is kind of the point of Blackest Night...to make comic book death a little less cheap. Nekron claims that all of the people who have come back to life are because he wanted them to be resurrected, so the inference is that resurrections aren't going to happen very often. I would expect Kyle to stay dead, at least for a while.
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Okay, just found out Kyle Rayner is dead. Not sure how it happened. Today in math I was wondering "If Kyle's dead, can he become a Black Lantern?" You guys probably know a lot more than I do on the subject, so please enlighten me.
time to lock this topic up, cause um
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Because why?
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Kyle however, I get the idea that Johns wanted him gone a while ago. And now he finally gets the chance after years of making him slightly less than third rate and in the background. He has never appeared in the main GL book, or JLA, just as one of over a dozen lead characters in the GLC book.
has Guy ever shown up in GL?? if not, I dont know if thats a valid point 1 could use to support Johns supposed hate of Rayner.......

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I think this is kind of the point of Blackest Night...to make comic book death a little less cheap. Nekron claims that all of the people who have come back to life are because he wanted them to be resurrected, so the inference is that resurrections aren't going to happen very often. I would expect Kyle to stay dead, at least for a while.
well, THAT apparently isnt gonna happen, however U *do* bring up an interesting point about the storyline and a possible hidden plot w/Kyle either b4 OR after BN is over..........




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Guy was never the main character of the book for any length of time like Kyle.

But when Hal came back Kyle was immediately shot over to a team book never to appear in what was his own title again. At least Hal was around every so often when it was Kyle's book.
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but all that says is the new guy had the old guy over into his old title every now & again....but after ownership changed *back*, the new guy was never seen with the old guy in the title he briefly held for a time.

this is yur argument in a nutshell, but Im still lost as to how THIS equates to "Johns hates Kyle" somehow............

if U want to get right down to it, Kyle simply rented the title from Hal, and when his time came up Hal moved back in forcing Kyle to share a place w/other people.......

and theres nothing wrong w/that really, cuz hadnt U heard: "CHANGE IS GOOD".







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If GL Vol. 3 wasn't already further ahead in numbers than the low #40s, it would go without saying that DC would have ended Vol. 3 and began Kyle's run with a brand new #1.

A little bit sad, though, that Hal only lasted 40 or so issues in Vol. 3 before it started pulling cancellation numbers and DC had to start talking, "WTF ARE WE GONNA DO WITH GL??"
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Because why?

cause its not gonna be happening
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but all that says is the new guy had the old guy over into his old title every now & again....but after ownership changed *back*, the new guy was never seen with the old guy in the title he briefly held for a time.

this is yur argument in a nutshell, but Im still lost as to how THIS equates to "Johns hates Kyle" somehow............

if U want to get right down to it, Kyle simply rented the title from Hal, and when his time came up Hal moved back in forcing Kyle to share a place w/other people.......

and theres nothing wrong w/that really, cuz hadnt U heard: "CHANGE IS GOOD".







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I'm going by the fact that Kyle does not appear in any of John's books, there is no mention of Kyle in any of John's books and Johns has gone out of his way to kill off majority of Kyle's villains. As well as removing Kyle from team books in favor of Hal, and removing anything that could make Kyle unique like being Ion.

What I see is he clearly does not care for Kyle, but did not immediately kill him off because of all the crap that came with killing Hal off years earlier. The instability and emotional insecurity of the average GL fan has kept him alive this long.

So I wouldn't really say he hates Kyle, but he obviously does not like him.
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If GL Vol. 3 wasn't already further ahead in numbers than the low #40s, it would go without saying that DC would have ended Vol. 3 and began Kyle's run with a brand new #1.

A little bit sad, though, that Hal only lasted 40 or so issues in Vol. 3 before it started pulling cancellation numbers and DC had to start talking, "WTF ARE WE GONNA DO WITH GL??"
even worse is that after a sales spike, the continued sales decline didnt make them come to the conclusion that maybe they shouldve switched things back the way they were........




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