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Old 06-01-2017, 05:11 AM   #26
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H.I.V.E., the Calculator, Shrapnel, Dr. Polaris, and I've always wanted to bring somebody over from Superman TAS... Luminus. Basically a more badass version of mirror master who's light based tech was enough to almost defeat Superman in their first meeting. He apparently showed up in JLU and gave Superman, the Flash, and Hawkgirl a run for their money...

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Anyway, that's the handful I'd shoot for. Polaris poses an obvious threat. Shrapnel is just a wildcard and has the potential to do untold amounts of damage to his surroundings. Calculator could hack him. And HIVE is just a good villain organization for any hero to go up against. LOL

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Old 06-01-2017, 01:33 PM   #27
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H.I.V.E., the Calculator, Shrapnel, Dr. Polaris, and I've always wanted to bring somebody over from Superman TAS... Luminus...
Somehow, I can't imagine the music swelling ominously and the bad guy reveals himself "behold, it is the Calculator!"

Maybe he should be fighting SOPA. Vic with all his life on the internet could become a primary crusader for fair use.
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Old 06-01-2017, 02:35 PM   #28
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Well of course Calculator would just wreck Cyborg from the comfort of his own secret nerdy man-cave. Probably while eating Doritos and getting cheese powder on his keyboard...

And on the monitor to his immediate left.... a world he's working on in Minecraft LOL.

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Old 06-01-2017, 03:26 PM   #29
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Richard Prior in Superman III... dude hacked missiles, basically created the first Superman video game in Atari fashion, and managed to be a somewhat sympathetic villain... could've TOTALLY been a version of the Calculator.



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Old 06-01-2017, 03:51 PM   #30
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As far as making him a sleeker more marketable hero... I think that goes with them trying too hard to make him something he isn't. He didn't need a smaller body type, or his face uncovered... he's a public hero. People knew him before his accident. Giving him a slightly smaller more Ironman like frame and a symbol of his own doesn't matter when story wise they can't find their mark.
I don't disagree that the character needs better stories. However, I believe it's best for the character to be something he isn't, because what he is now is not a desirable protagonist. Cyborg was never created to be that, and that's essentially where all his problems lie.

Cyborg was created to be that big dude on a team with other characters. He was never supposed to be the main draw, or that main character the reader is supposed to relate with the most, which would be Dick Grayson in Cyborg's most well known appearances. If we look at Grayson, he's presented as a good looking dude with a fit body, who has sex with the prettiest girl in his series. The reader (it was designed with a male demographic in mind, first and foremost) is supposed to want to be like that guy. Cyborg is there to add some extra interest on the side, not to carry anything.

To bring things closer to home, Cyborg is the equivalent of Kilowog from Green Lantern: The Animated Series. In certain settings, he adds extra interest. Yes, in certain settings you like having him around. Is he the main draw? No. Is he presented as having desirable physical characteristics? Certainly not. Do you want to be like him? Outside of perhaps some personality traits (and maybe not even then), I don't think most people would.

I believe revamping Cyborg from head to toe to be more of a leading man would greatly increase his chances at success. He doesn't have to be generic, and he actually shouldn't be, but that doesn't mean parading him around with a metal faceplate and visibly metal body is the way to go, because that's typically not how readers would like to be themselves. Stuff like that works good for Anakin Skywalker ... when the narrative turned him evil and he wasn't the protagonist of the story, but rather the antagonist.
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Old 06-01-2017, 04:06 PM   #31
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I refuse to believe ANY character is just people furniture in comics. Sure characters like Cyborg and Kilowog make fine additions to teams, but even Kilowog has had stories where he was the star. The thing with Kilowog, like the Thing over at Marvel, he'll always be attached to his team. They completely took 'Borg from one team where he's been developed for decades and put him into the League. The character's whole foundation is wrong now.

As far as always parading him around with a faceplate.... do you read the comics? One of the things I CAN say is good about the title right now is the art in the latest issue. Anyway... Vic can hide his robotic appearance now and appear human. I think he's even done this in the cartoons [but my first experience with the power was using his Stone alias as a villain].

Also the villain of the current arc, Anomaly, isn't bad. The writer is just really horrible about just describing what a character is feeling or whats going on. It's like reading Cyborg on a horribly scripted Broadway show. And the characters who've been appearing as villains are as horrible as the ones from the cancelled New52 Static series. H8 Bit... seriously? A white female version of Cy called 'Variant'? Man... that's just original as it gets.

EDIT: SPOILERS for the current issue.... but barely anybody's reading it so...

Cyborg's boom tubes have been a little crazy lately and when he finally returns to Detroit he finds out he's been gone for six months. If this series doesn't immediately effect the JL title in SOME way... then Cyborg's title clearly doesn't even matter to DC.

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Old 06-01-2017, 04:38 PM   #32
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Cyborg has had the ability to turn human for two years now, regenerate his body parts, and oh yea he even has a dick and has had sex in the book. Cyborg needs a better writer, point blank. He can be a top tier character if given the right creative team. Keep Will Conrad on art, but John Semper has to go.
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Old 06-01-2017, 04:39 PM   #33
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Cyborg's boom tubes have been a little crazy lately and when he finally returns to Detroit he finds out he's been gone for six months. If this series doesn't immediately effect the JL title in SOME way... then Cyborg's title clearly doesn't even matter to DC.

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Old 06-01-2017, 06:35 PM   #34
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The last few issues are an improvement over how Hitch has handled the characters. And the JLoA comic is surprisingly better than I thought it would be. I still just hate that Lobo is on the team. I'm glad classic Lobo's back, but he doesn't need to be in a League. It [Cy being gone for 6 months] maybe doesn't have to get handled in the JL title, but perhaps somebody can mention it somewhere. A *founding* League member goes off the grid for six months.... NOBODY should bat an eyelash at that.

I'm still catching up on Cyborg, the last two monthlies I've only got an issue here and there. If any of the issues had terrible art it's an easier pass. The dialogue in the current arc is horrible though so I don't know if I'll keep checking it out.

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Pre-Rebirth, Aquaman went off the grid for 6 months and it wasn't addressed in the JL book. Superman and his power loss wasn't addressed or mentioned in JL either. It's not that big of a deal to me whether it is or not though.

Josh Williamson has been killing it on Flash, I'd like for him to be the writer on Cyborg. Not John Semper or David Walker.
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Old 06-01-2017, 07:18 PM   #36
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DC should open the floodgates for creators to pitch Cyborg and put a fat check in front of them to motivate them. There are incredible stories out there waiting to be told, it's just the creators capable of telling them aren't saying anything with what DC is offering.

Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are on another level of course. They're the icons. However, the REST of the League [GL, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg] should all be on the same level. Flash broke into the Top 25 Comics of the Month with the Button crossover and even before that the character was doing well by the numbers. If DC has the brains to make one League member's book outstanding there's no reason they shouldn't be trying harder with the rest of them. At the very least the lot of them should be in the Top 50 of the Month....

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I refuse to believe ANY character is just people furniture in comics. Sure characters like Cyborg and Kilowog make fine additions to teams, but even Kilowog has had stories where he was the star.
He was intended to fill a certain role, and now he is being expected to fill another role he isn't equipped to fill, and hasn't been prepared properly for. Putting Cyborg out as lead of anything (comic, cartoon, movie) isn't likely going to work. Not only does the character's world need work and building, the character itself also does.

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As far as always parading him around with a faceplate.... do you read the comics? One of the things I CAN say is good about the title right now is the art in the latest issue. Anyway... Vic can hide his robotic appearance now and appear human. I think he's even done this in the cartoons [but my first experience with the power was using his Stone alias as a villain].
Yes, I have read some of his comics. It's good he's able to transform back into a regular looking person, however, he should also look cool WHILE he is "Cyborg" fighting villains and whatnot. If Hal Jordan wore a cardboard box when he transformed in Green Lantern, I can't say for sure, but I suspect the character wouldn't have caught on. If Superman went out with just underwear and a bow tie on, same thing. Cyborg has been seen looking like a toaster, a trashcan, and an oversized astronaut:



Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, Green Lantern, Spawn, Wonder Woman ... They all look cool. Cyborg, in my opinion, does not. He should have an inspiring visual as a hero. Cyborg has never had this, in my opinion. I find the metal suit, face plate, and excessive girth unappealing, and while I can't speak for anyone else, I have seen numerous, numerous people feel the same way. I still believe it would behoove the character for his entire visual to be revamped.

Whether he can have sex with other robots or not, no one is going to want to go around like Cyborg, so the audience is going to have a disconnect with him. At least Spawn is a really strong visual, so people will at least think, "Wow, that guy looks cool!" despite the character being freakish and deformed under the suit (that is, when he IS freakish and deformed). Similar to how they do for, say, Scorpion from Mortal Kombat.

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What kind of visual are you wanting? Something like Smallville Cyborg?



EDIT: I DO agree the all chrome look needs a little more color than just a symbol, an eye, and a couple glowing lights here and there.

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What kind of visual are you wanting? Something like Smallville Cyborg?



EDIT: I DO agree the all chrome look needs a little more color than just a symbol, an eye, and a couple glowing lights here and there.

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Holy shit! Can't believe that happened and isn't just some horribly lazy cosplay!
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His cybernetics were on the inside...



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Well it looks like the Cyborg movie has been put on the backburner. Possibly in the phase 2 plans for WB's DCEU now?

Still, if his title is gonna continue... something needs to change.

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Was going back and checking out the last bit of Cyborg written by Marv Wolfman only to find out it was cancelled at issue #20 before Wolfman came back three months later with issue #21. Then the story was cut short at issue #23 despite DC soliciting issues #24 and #25.

When will DC right this wrong and fix Cyborg's history as a Titan rather than a Justice Leaguer?
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Was going back and checking out the last bit of Cyborg written by Marv Wolfman only to find out it was cancelled at issue #20 before Wolfman came back three months later with issue #21. Then the story was cut short at issue #23 despite DC soliciting issues #24 and #25.

When will DC right this wrong and fix Cyborg's history as a Titan rather than a Justice Leaguer?
Good question. Since Flashpoint he has been earmarked as a character that can even out the racial representation on the JL (doubtlessly pushed by WB who knew he'd be on the JL movie team and could also fulfill an Iron Man capacity)... and they don't care about Titans, beyond TV.
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There's so many more characters they could use for that though. There's more black heroes in DC than just John Stewart and Vic. It's not unheard of for a Golden Age legacy character to be in the JL, and when DC was pushing Mister Terrific in the New52 he should've been there. Amazing Man is another favorite. I always liked seeing Black Lightning in the League rater than some Batman black ops team [but I LOVE certain eras of the Outsiders] and there's also Bronze Tiger and Vixen.

With Justice League and how they write themselves into corners and never have lasting spin-offs is because they don't mix the A listers up enough. You can't make a JL International spin-off with a bunch of B listers with big guns in the form of Guy Gardner and Batman. JL Elite didn't last because the only A listers were Green Arrow and Flash.
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There's so many more characters they could use for that though. There's more black heroes in DC than just John Stewart and Vic. It's not unheard of for a Golden Age legacy character to be in the JL, and when DC was pushing Mister Terrific in the New52 he should've been there. Amazing Man is another favorite. I always liked seeing Black Lightning in the League rater than some Batman black ops team [but I LOVE certain eras of the Outsiders] and there's also Bronze Tiger and Vixen.

With Justice League and how they write themselves into corners and never have lasting spin-offs is because they don't mix the A listers up enough. You can't make a JL International spin-off with a bunch of B listers with big guns in the form of Guy Gardner and Batman. JL Elite didn't last because the only A listers were Green Arrow and Flash.
Plus it's like... yeah Superman has caucasian skin (incidentally), but he's a freaking alien. From another world, another star system. Does that not check enough diversity checkboxes? Same with Martian Manhunter, and he generally assumes an African American shape when he's not busy being green. Why not use him, instead of Cyborg?
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