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Old 02-28-2009, 03:19 PM   #1
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Default So if John partnered up with a Blue Lantern...

.....would that make him the most powerful lantern out there? He has a willpower that exceeds Hal and Hal can do crazy stuff like make constructs with a Red ring.

Hypothetically speaking, say he hooks up with a BL Merayn somehow (I don't know how) would the pair be capable of Kyle/Ion type feats around the universe? Could they be the ones to actually stop Superboy Prime if needed?

And while I'm on the subject I think John could seriously use a Hope inspiring love interest. Since the guy is still feeling guilty about Xanshii and probably feels rather hopeless himself.
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Old 02-28-2009, 06:28 PM   #2
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What makes you think his will power is greater than Hal's? I wouldn't put that to a vote anywhere. I think you overestimate John's power. Based on what we know thus far, it would seem pretty clear Hal teamed with Saint Walker would be the most powerful green/blue team up.
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Old 02-28-2009, 07:33 PM   #3
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Limelantern, is on to something. I've forgotten about John "exceeding" the ring power and his teamup with a BL could potentially make him even more powerful than a Hal/BL teamup. But I guess the same can be said about Kyle.
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Where is the reference point for John exceeding the ring power? Is this something I missed in the new series or is a reference back to Mosaic time frame? Because I am pretty certain as a GL it has been established Hal's will is stronger than John's, and pretty much anyone else's.

I doubt Kyle would even come close though, since his self-doubt alone should make any team up with a blue less effective than Hal or John with a blue.
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Hal has so far never exceeded the willpower of the ring, John has. Therefore greater will.

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Don't remember that scene, but I'm sure during the Blackest Night Hal will match that feat. Certainly was interesting though. When you really think about it, the idea that someone's will is greater than the ring's capacity almost defeats the purpose. The only limitations are supposed to be those of the bearer's will. The ring should be able to do everything the bearer wants. The fact it can only use so much willpower is a weakness, though a weakness that 9.99999/10 of GLs will never encounter.
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Old 03-01-2009, 01:35 AM   #7
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What is so wrong with John having a little more willpower? Why is it Hal must be the best of the best of the best all the time? He is already the star of the book
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i wish things were just equal between the two (hal and john) on some ken and ryu shit.
but i loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooved that scene where john basically broke the ring's limit. it was in issue 26 where we firt learn after every victory he goes to where xanshii was and reminsces/chills. (loved that he's back there in 38's origins and omens also)

it was pushed to the limit when he recreated the xanshii system,
after he did it his hand is smoking green and he says "in the marines we say pain is weakness leaving the body. ...its just about out now" .

remember when jordan broke the yellow bulldozer in the secret origins issue and sinestro told him (since he was knocked down he didn't really see it and didnt beleive jordan fully ) "you gotta be better then everyone, you're in the corps now get use to being outshined".
can't be the greatest all the time everytime. and jordan was passed up for the alpha lantern promotion which they gave to john but he said screw that.


I like how john stewart keeps everything on the low too not out bragin bout it,
he has to be saving that ability for a desperate measure or something.
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Old 03-01-2009, 03:10 AM   #9
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He does seem to be the best qualified human out of the whole four to even be a lantern.

I wouldn't hand the most powerful weapon in the universe to Hal, Guy or Kyle.
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Hal is supposed to be the best because of his willpower, along with his ability to overcome great fear. If John's will is stronger, then that seems a contradiction. Unless Hal's ability to overcome fear is greater, which balances it out. Or Hal's leadership qualities factor in. Don't get me wrong, I like John. I just don't think his will is greater than Hal's, or would be if it came down to them against each other.

The Alpha-Lantern thing is more based on personality traits, than willpower. John was viewed as more objective and less hot-headed (both true) than Hal, so it makes perfect sense he would be offered the Alpha position over Hal, Guy or Kyle.
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Old 03-01-2009, 04:34 AM   #11
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I still don't understand why Hal MUST be the best no question, the best ever! Is that because he is your personal favorite? And somehow the possibility of a greater lantern insults you? Greater feats by other lanterns have happened in the series before but somehow Hal still dwarfs each and every one of them for some unexplained reason.

John's willpower being greater is no contradiction because Hal has never exceeded the willpower of a ring before in all of his history. This however does not make Hal any less of a hero simply because someone out there might actually have a stronger will.
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Old 03-01-2009, 06:19 AM   #12
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I personally like John and Guy more than Hal but I respect Hal and his "being the best of the best". I figure just as Limelantern and SpaceJake mention, John and the other lanterns are better at some things.

Hal is the all-around MVP, but Guy, John, Kilwog, Kyle, and the rest can become MVP at the drop of a hat. I would gladly have the supporting GLs on my speed dial in a heartbeat and probably call them before Hal. Same as me speed dialing Bats before Supes.
I just wanna be saved and its not important to me who's doing the saving.

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Old 03-05-2009, 03:18 AM   #13
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Honestly I never understood why Guy got the ring. I'm not a big fan of John, he's okay, but I think GL BoreBoy has a point, everyone's good at their own stuff. Hal is NOT the best. Kyle is NOT the best. John may have exceeded the rings' capabilities, but he's not the best. And no Guy is !NOT! the best. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Hal is good and about my favorite but no hes is definitely not the best.
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Different Green Lanterns excel at different things. Hal may be the most qualified OVERALL of the Earth lanterns, this doesn't mean that he is the best in any category.

But we already know the category Hal excels in: overcoming fear. He has no fear. He has infinite ability to overcome fear. Infinite. This makes him the most qualified, no matter how much he's outclassed in other areas.

John proved he's got the most willpower, doing something thought impossible. Lets big him up for that. John's awesome.

But we don't know what new limitation he ran into. Boosting his ring up to 200% capacity may not increase the 'throughput' of the ring at all. He may be no more powerful than he is at any given time, he'd just have more lasting power.
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Old 03-13-2009, 11:34 PM   #15
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Yeah... I'll have to agree, couldn't have said even close to better than that.
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Old 03-18-2009, 02:17 PM   #16
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I'd rather John get a blue ring because he's partnered with Hal. As much as I do like John, Hal is the leading man. But now that we know the Blue's don't have power without the green's, and the majority are religious or spiritual figures, I don't see this happening. But it would support my idea of having every GL partner a blue to their sector's green. John to Hal, Iolande to Soranik, etc...
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IMO giving John a blue ring to basically "help" Hal would take away from him as his own man and turn him into too much of a sidekick type. He'd basically be usless without Hal around. This would also kills any JLA appearance without Hal, solo stories, etc... I can see BL's working on Oa and being sent out on GLC missions to support teams of Lanterns. For example, having a BL join the Lantern team during "Ringquest" to act in a power boosting / supporting role.
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Old 03-24-2009, 07:57 PM   #18
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Now John won't be much help because Hal has a blue ring now... Thank you Johns...
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I'd rather John get a blue ring because he's partnered with Hal. As much as I do like John, Hal is the leading man. But now that we know the Blue's don't have power without the green's, and the majority are religious or spiritual figures, I don't see this happening. But it would support my idea of having every GL partner a blue to their sector's green. John to Hal, Iolande to Soranik, etc...
I dunno. I donīt see Iolande wearing a blue ring, she doesnīt sound fit for the job. Now Natu on the other hand...
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IMO giving John a blue ring to basically "help" Hal would take away from him as his own man and turn him into too much of a sidekick type.
I absolutely agree with that. John is a hero of its own with a great intellect. He is definitely no sidekick or ex-sidekick type. He is unsuited for a blue lantern towel rack.

Everyone who has read MOSAIC knows what I am talking about
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I absolutely agree with that. John is a hero of its own with a great intellect. He is definitely no sidekick or ex-sidekick type. He is unsuited for a blue lantern towel rack.

Everyone who has read MOSAIC knows what I am talking about
Quite right. Which is why it's bizarre that the Guardians ever offered him the role of Alpha-Lantern.

"You used to be one of us, but instead of letting you rejoin us as a fellow Guardian, how about settling for letting us lobotomize you as some kind of robot enforcer for us?"
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Quite right. Which is why it's bizarre that the Guardians ever offered him the role of Alpha-Lantern.

"You used to be one of us, but instead of letting you rejoin us as a fellow Guardian, how about settling for letting us lobotomize you as some kind of robot enforcer for us?"
I guess that's the difference between Gerard Jones' kinder gentler Guardians and the post-Parallax group of paranoid shut-ins. Maybe they saw it as a way of rectifying the mistake of elevating a human to their status. I can't see this group of Guardians granting such power, but I can see them being threatened by Johns former status as their equal and offering him the Alpha treatment as a way of obtaining more control over him.
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I guess that's the difference between Gerard Jones' kinder gentler Guardians and the post-Parallax group of paranoid shut-ins. Maybe they saw it as a way of rectifying the mistake of elevating a human to their status. I can't see this group of Guardians granting such power, but I can see them being threatened by Johns former status as their equal and offering him the Alpha treatment as a way of obtaining more control over him.
Very interesting thought. As I said, there is much unused story potential for John Stewart.
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John Stewart: Untapped Potential Out The Wazoo!
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Different Green Lanterns excel at different things. Hal may be the most qualified OVERALL of the Earth lanterns, this doesn't mean that he is the best in any category.

But we already know the category Hal excels in: overcoming fear. He has no fear. He has infinite ability to overcome fear. Infinite. This makes him the most qualified, no matter how much he's outclassed in other areas.
John proved he's got the most willpower, doing something thought impossible. Lets big him up for that. John's awesome.

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I also agree. Well said. To me I think it's like this:

Most Fearless - Hal, handsdown. Held off fear itself (granted with some help from the spectre)

Most Willpower - John, you can't argue the books. John has exceeded the limit no one else has.....yet. I don't think that him exceeding once is an open and shut case for him having the most will. I mean Hal, just before Parallax recreated all of Coast City. But it's not just that mention. John has shown time again he is very strong willed (I mean he destroyed Xanshi in the first place).

I don't see what the big fuss is....why must Hal be the best at everything? But on the flip side, why must John HAVE to have the most willpower? Does it really matter? I think most of us can agree that all 4 of the Earth GL's are pretty powerful, fearless and willful. In short: "Can't we all just get along?"
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