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Old 03-12-2017, 10:50 PM   #776
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We need somebody like Julius Schwartz to come in and take the concepts that've become cluster fucks and just reboot them from the ground up like how we went from the Golden Age to the Silver Age. Take a step back from the Corps and the rings, and just focus on one character with the ability to create green hard light constructs.

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I don't think people would believe Julius Schwartz at this point. Look at how times Didiot or someone else from DC said that they were going to get back to character driven and just carry on their usual garbage.
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Old 03-13-2017, 02:16 AM   #777
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They can't get back to character driven stories because it's become less about the characters and more about franchising everything to make sure everything is PC and everybody has their own character in every corner and aspect. Multiple Supermen and Superwomen, multiple Lanterns, multiple Flashes, etc. Rather than dust off an old property like the Question, Impulse, or Titans East we get the same old same old with more Batman spin-offs, more Kid Flashes throughout the universe, and more of the same old same old with Teen Titans constantly trying to mirror the Wolfman/Perez era.

I'm hoping a Young Justice series is being dreamed up in an office somewhere mixing the better elements of the animated series with the classic comic series and other 90's era teen heroes.

I'd be game for a half dozen properties or so getting Julius'ed and recreated from the floor up though. There's one or two I'd gladly give a limb to make happen LOL.

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Old 03-20-2017, 10:58 PM   #778
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It's pretty alarming that so soon into Rebirth, Hal's title has already dropped to 36K sales and is being solidly outsold by Titans and Teen Titans.

They've got to admit that they've screwed this up and reboot it. And the sooner the better.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:01 AM   #779
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I'm curious how low DC is willing to let GL's sales get without doing something about it. We're not even at the one year mark yet.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:17 AM   #780
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I'm curious how low DC is willing to let GL's sales get without doing something about it. We're not even at the one year mark yet.
They tend to do something at 32-33K. That's where they were when DC brought back Hal and the Corps and where they were when Rebirth was launched.
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Old 03-21-2017, 02:55 AM   #781
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The problem is DC often seems to learn the wrong lesson; they're just as likely to react by saying "oh, that didn't work, guess we need another new human GL and another kind of bad ring user.
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:16 AM   #782
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They need to go back to what has worked best -- what's called "best practices" in the business world.

That is, depicting Hal on Earth with his supporting cast, John and Guy the way they were in the early 90s, and Kyle the way he was at first. The Guardians need to come back too, with the GLC as an intergalactic law enforcement organization instead of existing to fight other Corps.

That stuff worked well and was popular, and what DC has discarded it in favor of hasn't worked and isn't popular. It's been proved beyond any reasonable doubt that they aren't going to get any better ideas than that, so they need to stop trying and to start selling GL comics again.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:09 AM   #783
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It requires a certain amount of healthy humility to recognize that you aren't smart enough to reinvent the wheel, and that your contribution will be to think of new and hopefully more effective ways to use it.

That's what's needed here.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:34 PM   #784
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The Guardians AND Oa need to come back. The franchise isn't complete without them.
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Old 03-21-2017, 01:50 PM   #785
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The Guardians AND Oa need to come back. The franchise isn't complete without them.
Yes, certainly. Tom Kamalku, the works.

However, software will soon make test pilots obsolete, so they need to get in front of the curve there instead of playing catch-up later by giving Hal a new profession. My reboot would be to make him a race car driver and Ferris a racing team owned by Carl Ferris.

Make changes like that, for a changing world. But don't throw out the best practices, the things that experience has shown will sell the comics best over the long haul. Don't change things for the same reason that a dog methodically pisses on its surroundings -- to mark it as your territory.

Stay within the song. Just change aspects of the arrangement and the delivery that do or probably will keep buyers away.

If you want to change more than that, then go create your owned damned comic instead.

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Old 03-21-2017, 02:19 PM   #786
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But when you bring back the Guardians, keep them off-camera except for very special occasions. That will relieve the writers of the temptation to depict conflicts between them and the Lanterns, with the unfortunate results that we've already seen play out.

The Central Power Battery should give the Lanterns occasional assignments and choose the new Lanterns. Keep the Guardians away from that.

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Old 03-22-2017, 04:31 AM   #787
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But when you bring back the Guardians, keep them off-camera except for very special occasions. That will relieve the writers of the temptation to depict conflicts between them and the Lanterns, with the unfortunate results that we've already seen play out.
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I couldn't agree more with this sentiment. The GL mythos is indeed incomplete without the GotU component, but writers should take great care in how they use them. With the vast number of worlds to explore and the diverse personalities and abilities of the Lanterns, it is unnecessary to constantly toss in the GotU for narrative advancement.
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Old 03-22-2017, 04:44 AM   #788
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I'd be fine with the Guardians being used sparingly, and given back the air of mystery they once had. Like it's a big deal to get an audience with them, and there are layers of GL beauracracy you have to deal with before you ever speak to them.
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I'd be fine with them appearing about as much as they did right before the Crisis, where they're generally good, but out of touch and so far beyond most mortals that seat-of-your-pants guys like Hal and rule-breakers like Guy butt heads with them. You know, like how the rest of us relate to BDD.
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Old 03-22-2017, 11:47 AM   #790
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I'd be fine with them appearing about as much as they did right before the Crisis, where they're generally good, but out of touch and so far beyond most mortals that seat-of-your-pants guys like Hal and rule-breakers like Guy butt heads with them. You know, like how the rest of us relate to BDD.
That's the whole problem with the Guardians. The butting heads. It leads to nothing good. It's just low hanging fruit for a writer who's looking for a conflict to depict, and it gets more and more tiresome and intolerable. The Guardians should let the CPB handle everything.

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Old 03-22-2017, 12:38 PM   #791
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Here's something else. Writers of funny books have a hard time letting any other beings be more competent or smarter than humans. Or even AS competent or smart as humans. Let alone as moral. Thus Hal "Dive First and Measure the Depth of the Water Later" Jordan gets to lead the GLC.

Come on now.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:47 AM   #792
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Yeah, not a fan of the Green Lanterns having conflict with the Guardians. For one, I just don't like the idea, and for two, it is so played out by now. For many years, Green Lanterns were either cleaning up the Guardians' messes, dealing with their corruption, or just outright fighting them.

I agree with the idea that you're shrinking your universe when you have the heroes deal with the same type of stuff over and again, when you have literally the entire universe to play with.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:47 AM   #793
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The focus of Rebirth should have been an actual reboot of Green Lantern. Putting patches on it like making Kyle a Green Lantern again are good, but there are problems that can't be fixed without starting over.

And no, Geoff should not have a hand in it. He sold a lot of comics for a while. I recognize that. But the changes he made are a big part of the problem. If he wants to get involved, he can find something else for Baz and Cruz to do. They're his characters.
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Old 03-23-2017, 01:39 PM   #794
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Most of what I advocate about the title are simply things that most people thought Geoff was going to do anyway when he brought back Hal and the Corps. He turned out to have some very different ideas though, and frankly quite radical ones, that have floundered in the long run.

Most of the rest of what I advocate is to eliminate aspects that tend to chase some readers away, some of them points of long standing.

These are marketing-based ideas that seek to attract a new, larger audience rather than to appease longtime fanboys who don't have the numbers to get what they want, and whose ideas aren't good anyway.

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Old 03-23-2017, 03:17 PM   #795
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Sales declines since Rebirth was launched.

JLA -- 68%

HL&GLC -- 62%

GLs -- 54%

Superman -- 47%

There you have it in black and white, DC. People have tried what you did with the GL franchise, and they didn't like it.

It's time for you to tap out and reboot it.
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Sales declines since Rebirth was launched.

JLA -- 68%

HL&GLC -- 62%

GLs -- 54%

Superman -- 47%

There you have it in black and white, DC. People have tried what you did with the GL franchise, and they didn't like it.

It's time for you to tap out and reboot it.
yeah but see people are sick of reboots....................................... i know i am anyway
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Sales declines since Rebirth was launched.

JLA -- 68%

HL&GLC -- 62%

GLs -- 54%

Superman -- 47%

There you have it in black and white, DC. People have tried what you did with the GL franchise, and they didn't like it.

It's time for you to tap out and reboot it.
I don't know if comparing sales to the false high of a reboot new #1 is really a fair comparison. I would think you would have to give a book at least a year to find it's level and then see where the numbers go from there. Some books it doesn't take as long. Rebirth has been great for the Flash and Detective comics. The other books too early to tell. As for HJ&tGLC while it might not be SCW level of good it outshines the previous Vendetti GL book by miles. That is however a low bar to surpass because that book was awful and I wanted it to succeed.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:42 PM   #798
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yeah but see people are sick of reboots....................................... i know i am anyway
Green Lantern has never been rebooted. And I guarantee you the sales would explode. This time though they had better not screw it up.

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Old 03-23-2017, 07:46 PM   #799
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I don't know if comparing sales to the false high of a reboot new #1 is really a fair comparison. I would think you would have to give a book at least a year to find it's level and then see where the numbers go from there. Some books it doesn't take as long. Rebirth has been great for the Flash and Detective comics. The other books too early to tell. As for HJ&tGLC while it might not be SCW level of good it outshines the previous Vendetti GL book by miles. That is however a low bar to surpass because that book was awful and I wanted it to succeed.
My comparison shows only the biggest drops since Rebirth. The sales of those four titles have taken the biggest hits, and that is meaningful.

All four of those titles have Green Lanterns and/or Superman in them. That's where the work needs to be done.
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trey did you do the calculating yourself or is it somewhere? I am interested to see how all the Rebirth titles are doing.
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