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Old 08-06-2017, 01:32 PM   #26
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I'm not privy to DC's inner workings, but I think that Geoff Johns is active in Green Lantern and many other DC properties (like Superman, where his buddy Tomasi writes one of the key titles), being president and all. Considering Green Lantern, I can't easily file it away to coincidence that during this Rebirth thing (which is certainly Geoff Johns' idea) Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz have their own comic book, and there is almost nothing but stories that rely extremely heavily on the Emotional Spectrum. I recall him also saying that he personally selected Sam Humphries to write Green Lanterns, and Johns even co-wrote the Rebirth Special issue of Green Lanterns. I believe Johns broadly set the directions for the Green Lantern titles, meaning what characters would be used and what characters would be focused on versus others, and what he wanted the stories to have, like what villains and such would be used.
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Old 08-06-2017, 01:49 PM   #27
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Oh, and Geoff created Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz, even though Green Lantern was already badly overpopulated with Earth Lanterns. That might be the best example of DC's overconfidence in his ideas about the franchise.
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:25 AM   #28
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Oh, and Geoff created Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz, even though Green Lantern was already badly overpopulated with Earth Lanterns. That might be the best example of DC's overconfidence in his ideas about the franchise.
Creating Jessica Cruz and Simon Baz was just ego masturbation on Johns' part. He wanted his own characters and make them prominent [aka their own GL book and in the Justice League] to pretty much cement his legacy in the series.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:11 AM   #29
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I don't think Geoff's ego had anything to do with it. The diversity imperative has trumped good business sense at DC and Marvel (especially the latter) and DC has had an inordinate confidence in Geoff's creative decisions where Green Lantern is concerned. Hence, the Green Lanterns comic that nobody but DC's management wanted is gracing the comics shops.

DC and Marvel need to face the fact that print comics are in the phase of their life cycle where they're managing decline. There are not any hordes of minority members who will run to stores to buy titles with members of their groups cast as the stars, and furthermore, by replacing the established characters with minority members, and by reducing the camera time of the established stars in favor of minority versions, they're chasing away their existing customers.

If anyone in DC's management reads this, I'm telling that you're doing exactly the wrong thing. You're running off your dwindling herd of horses so you can hunt bright shiny unicorns that aren't out there, and your virtue signaling isn't impressing anyone.

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Old 08-12-2017, 03:43 PM   #30
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Diversity is not bad business, because those 'different' people actually exist and want entertainment. The problem lies in the direct market system. The comic companies and retailers, in their shortsighted foolishness, destroyed the entry point for new fans.

I'm willing to go out on a limb and bet a good number of the people on this very forum got into comics because they saw them at some place they would go to, which was not a comic book shop. Maybe a drug store. Maybe a supermarket. Places many people of many diverse backgrounds regularly go to. This is why probably many people here started reading comics in the '80s, '90s (granted in parts of this period, the direct market enjoyed fad success that would not last), or maybe even sometime before then.

The direct market is meant to cater to the existing comic fan, most certainly not to reach out to a new reader. Because the products adapted to become the best to sell in that environment, they further alienate new people not only with their location, but their content (confusing crossovers, reboots, and the like.

The reason minorities won't rush to comic book shops is because during the time comics were easily accessible to new people, in a variety of ways, the publishers, for the most part, only focused on white heroes. Thus, a white customer base developed, and because comics greatly struggle to reach new customers of ANY background, that's all the mainstream comics have. The same customer base that developed decades ago, many of whom got into comics because they saw them in easily accessible places.

So, the point is that appealing to people of different backgrounds isn't bad. It can be done poorly. Rather than bringing that out as the problem, it is much more beneficial, intelligent, and honest to address the root problem, which is comics' stagnate and dwindling readership. That is what is REALLY the bad business. Not the diversity stuff. If comics could reach a large enough pool of people, and not have to rely on gimmicks that come to the detriment of the new and potential new fan, the companies wouldn't resort to turning Iron Man into a black woman, the prices wouldn't be so high for a single comic, these crossovers likely wouldn't be running amok like they do now, and so on.

No decent entry point for new readers (meaning new readers SEEING them and then finding them appealing) = hardly any new fans = a plethora of problems for comics. Appealing to the dwindling group of good ol' boys who ARE used to putting money on the table as opposed to the potential new fan is only putting a band-aid on the problem, and maybe delaying the inevitable a little while longer. BUT, I will admit this. As long as the direct market system is going to be the primary way to sell comics, it is wiser to appeal to the good ol' boy, because he's already used to it and spending his money there. But the important thing is looking at this with a big lens will show this system is broken.

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Old 08-13-2017, 01:35 PM   #31
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They can try it forever, but identity politics will never sell comics. That just won't happen. Print comics are not a growth industry. There just aren't that many people will will go to comics shops to buy them.

The idea that you can boost comics sales by casting a Latina and a Muslim as your leads and decreasing the presence of long-established characters is ludicrous. You can pat yourself on the back for being a good person when you do stuff like that, and I'm sure the folks at DC and Marvel do, but you're killing your own business when you diminish the visibility of your stars.

You can be an SJW on your own time. At work you're getting paid to sell comics.

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Old 11-15-2017, 06:56 PM   #32
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I agree, totally stupid.

I wanted to like the Red Lanterns, just too many factors working against it. The writing was terrible even when the art was good; it felt like it should have been a horror title but it was so watered down and childish, not sure who the target audience was..
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