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Old 07-16-2011, 02:38 AM   #51
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Green Lantern is space opera. Not soap opera.
Right. Superhero stories and space operas aren't supposed to deal with the personal lives of their characters. I forgot.
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Old 07-16-2011, 04:15 AM   #52
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Hellz to the NO i'd rather see John Stewart destroying a whole solar system
If that's Carol on the cover we know her reasoning to putting clothes on "I can't have thus dude falling for me and end up an a refrigerator"
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Old 07-16-2011, 05:07 AM   #53
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Hellz to the NO i'd rather see John Stewart destroying a whole solar system
If that's Carol on the cover we know her reasoning to putting clothes on "I can't have thus dude falling for me and end up an a refrigerator"
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:46 PM   #54
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I know that its not in Kyle's character but it could be a wham bam thank you ma'am. Then he's not interested any more. He has been sleeping with an alien for awhile. Maybe alien anatomy is more fun.
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Old 07-17-2011, 03:18 AM   #55
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That's a fair point... but developing an emotional attachment to the clothes the characters wear is taking it an extra level. Superman and Batman have had thousands of tweaks, changes and alterations over the years but we all know who they are and what we think they stand for.

A non-fiction example... I'm a huge Los Angeles Kings fan. They're getting new uniforms next season and while I'm not personally thrilled with them I understand that it's not really going to change how I root for the team.



I was referring only to the costumes and accessories. "Love" interests CAN be superficial in any given story but no I'm not suggesting that comic book characters should never be in relationships. I was talking about their threads.



Well it would depend on how it was written but again... not talking about relationships. Just the clothes.
This is a thread for Kyle/Carol. At least try to stay on topic and leave your obsession with my obsession for another convo in another thread.

For the people against the idea of Kyle/Carol, would you rather Carol just go ahead and hook up with Hal again for more of the same old same old? You want him to go back to work for Ferris? Even though it'd make me happier to see a more Earth based character driven story, I don't want to go back to THAT. I'd much rather see Hal dealing with the consequences of ditching his job in the Air Force... and how he's to pay rent for an apartment he doesn't stay in without earning money....

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Old 07-17-2011, 07:16 AM   #56
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This is a thread for Kyle/Carol. At least try to stay on topic and leave your obsession with my obsession for another convo in another thread.
I was responding to someone who was addressing me. I wasn't talking about you specifically and the topic of clothes was done at which point I said...

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It's a fascinating line DC and Marvel walk. They clearly cater to a certain subset of emotionally fragile fans who will always always always want it to be "just the way they like it" and yet you can't just keep telling the same stories month after month.
Which sounds an AWFUL LOT LIKE ....

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For the people against the idea of Kyle/Carol, would you rather Carol just go ahead and hook up with Hal again for more of the same old same old? You want him to go back to work for Ferris? Even though it'd make me happier to see a more Earth based character driven story, I don't want to go back to THAT. I'd much rather see Hal dealing with the consequences of ditching his job in the Air Force... and how he's to pay rent for an apartment he doesn't stay in without earning money....

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THAT is just me trying to get back on topic.

If Carol isn't gonna hook up with Hal, and she isn't gonna be in his supporting cast, why not let the K-Man take her for a spin? Chicks dig those deep artist types sometimes, I'm assuming that still counts in a room full of aliens and vomiting RL's.

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Old 07-17-2011, 12:21 PM   #58
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Other then a way for Kyle fans to stick it to Hal. I just don't see it personality wise. I think in Carols eyes,Hal is Green Lantern and he is still just a punk kid.

And In Kyle's eyes Carol is just a bitchy old hagg. Correct me if I am wrong, Wasn't there a issue where Hal and Kyle swithced places, Carol came up to Kyle/Hal sporting her usual attitude,and Kyle just smiled and walked off with a Go fuck yourself vibe. And Carol was left standing there like what the fuck just happened. I think it was the zero issue. That was one of Kyle's cooler moments. Hal may have put up with that shit, but Kyle wasn'tgoing to.
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If Carol isn't gonna hook up with Hal, and she isn't gonna be in his supporting cast, why not let the K-Man take her for a spin? Chicks dig those deep artist types sometimes, I'm assuming that still counts in a room full of aliens and vomiting RL's.
The logic here seems to be if she's not going to be will Hal let's give her to Kyle...how about we get some character development first instead of throwing her into a relationship just for the hell of it.

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Other then a way for Kyle fans to stick it to Hal. I just don't see it personality wise. I think in Carols eyes,Hal is Green Lantern and he is still just a punk kid.
+1 on this. I just don't see Kyle measuring up to Hal in her eyes which means any relationship between the two isn't gunna last long term and if done will most probably just be for the drama. I would much rather that Bedard spend his time establishing/developing an interesting dynamic among the entire team and flesh out some of the characters we haven't seen much of.
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The logic here seems to be if she's not going to be will Hal let's give her to Kyle...how about we get some character development first instead of throwing her into a relationship just for the hell of it.
If editorial cared about character development we would have had some by now. If it takes something with shock value to get people into a story, then by all means shock them.

Personally, ANY character driven stories would shock me under the current editorial iron fist. Seems like the secret ID of Clark Kent in Superman is the only secret ID anybody cares enough to write about. Such a big deal was made about Hal joining the Air Force again and Geoff researching at Edwards Air Force Base... for what? A few panels with Hal's new old friend Shane and a chick called Cowgirl [I don't even know her real name, I didn't start getting GL till RotRLs]?

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Wasn't there a issue where Hal and Kyle swithced places, Carol came up to Kyle/Hal sporting her usual attitude,and Kyle just smiled and walked off with a Go fuck yourself vibe. And Carol was left standing there like what the fuck just happened. I think it was the zero issue. That was one of Kyle's cooler moments. Hal may have put up with that shit, but Kyle wasn'tgoing to.


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As much as the inner fanboy in me screams obscenities at the idea, having Kyle putting it to the love of Hal's life actually could make for some interesting stories. Why NOT give Hal a reason to hate Kyle? Especially if he has to put it aside for work? There's a lot that could be done with the idea, and it would for Johns to write stories about PEOPLE for once and not EVENTS.

I just have this image of Dutch and Vic Mackey from The Shield. That was some hilarious shit.
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Old 07-18-2011, 01:24 AM   #63
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If editorial cared about character development we would have had some by now. If it takes something with shock value to get people into a story, then by all means shock them.

Personally, ANY character driven stories would shock me under the current editorial iron fist. Seems like the secret ID of Clark Kent in Superman is the only secret ID anybody cares enough to write about. Such a big deal was made about Hal joining the Air Force again and Geoff researching at Edwards Air Force Base... for what? A few panels with Hal's new old friend Shane and a chick called Cowgirl [I don't even know her real name, I didn't start getting GL till RotRLs]?

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I don't think editorial is out to get Kyle Rayner. I think it is just hard for them to find a team that cares about Kyle Rayner as much as his fans do.I fear for the poor guy who has to write him next. Because what can you do?
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I don't think editorial is out to get Kyle Rayner. I think it is just hard for them to find a team that cares about Kyle Rayner as much as his fans do.I fear for the poor guy who has to write him next. Because what can you do?
You can't do a whole lot with a character whose hook was that he was the only one, and was getting on the job training. Even putting aside DC's decree that nobody could have a ring in the DCU but him, once Kyle became competent with the ring, the luster wore off. I'll give DC credit for riding that one until the wheels fell off though; they had something that worked and they stayed with it as long as they got mileage out of it.

Still, as a character, he's different from the other 4 (counting Alan), and for that I think he needs his own corner of the GLU. All of them should. I think New Guardians is a dog of an idea and will only be a short term thing, but after that the editors should think about making Kyle be best he can be in whatever GL book he ends up in next.
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I don't think editorial is out to get Kyle Rayner. I think it is just hard for them to find a team that cares about Kyle Rayner as much as his fans do.I fear for the poor guy who has to write him next. Because what can you do?
I'm not just talking Kyle, Hal and the rest haven't had much time outside of being GL's either. TPTB could do a lot more story-wise, but they're more worried about events and the next big gimmick.

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I'm not just talking Kyle, Hal and the rest haven't had much time outside of being GL's either. TPTB could do a lot more story-wise, but they're more worried about events and the next big gimmick.

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I couldn't agree more.
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The problem with putting Hal on Earth is people will start bitching that as a space cop he spends alot of time on Earth. Again there is no pleasing some fans. I agree about event comics though. I am just as over that as I am, Kyle girlfriend dramas.
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If editorial cared about character development we would have had some by now. If it takes something with shock value to get people into a story, then by all means shock them.
You lament the loss of character driven stories yet you advocate a position that even you admit would be done for the shock value? That just seems odd to me.

Besides I'm not sure a Kyle/Carol relationship would 'cause people to get into the story, I think you run the risk of losing a decent segment of your readership if you pursued it (me included) and since New Guardians will probably be the behind GL and GLC in terms of relevance I'm not sure editorial would take that risk.
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I think New Guardians is a dog of an idea and will only be a short term thing, but after that the editors should think about making Kyle be best he can be in whatever GL book he ends up in next.
The problem with New Guardians is that it doesn't add up. You've got the pre-Johns fans that wants to read about Kyle, and you've got the Johns fans that want to read about the emotional spectrum. I'd say that the intersection is almost non-existant.
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I don't even know her real name, I didn't start getting GL till RotRLs

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Didn't get into THIS volume of GL? Or didn't get into Green Lantern at all?
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The problem with New Guardians is that it doesn't add up. You've got the pre-Johns fans that wants to read about Kyle, and you've got the Johns fans that want to read about the emotional spectrum. I'd say that the intersection is almost non-existant.
Perfectly put. I never got why Johns put a character he doesn't really like into a series that is all to do with his brain child.
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Perfectly put. I never got why Johns put a character he doesn't really like into a series that is all to do with his brain child.
'Cause he doesn't know what to do with either of them.
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'Cause he doesn't know what to do with either of them.
He doesn't know what to do with anything.
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Right. Superhero stories and space operas aren't supposed to deal with the personal lives of their characters. I forgot.
For the sake of grounding the stories in emotion? The relationships are pretty key, especially as they generate stories - Abin and Sinestro, Sinestro and Hal, Hal and Carol (a la Star Sapphire), etc.

But Gossip Girl-styled hook-ups and soap opera plots as suggested in this thread, in place of that? I'd place that pretty low on the list of ingredients.

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The problem with New Guardians is that it doesn't add up. You've got the pre-Johns fans that wants to read about Kyle, and you've got the Johns fans that want to read about the emotional spectrum. I'd say that the intersection is almost non-existant.
That's a false dichtomy. Both of those options can exist concurrently.

In fact I'm a pre-Johns fan that wants to read sci fi/space opera GL stories featuring the GLC (notably Hal, Kilowog, John, etc.). Said stories can involve both Kyle and the emotional spectrum, or neither.

Provided said stories are good, according to my (wholly subjective) opinion.
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