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Old 04-27-2017, 03:04 AM   #1
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Old 04-27-2017, 03:07 AM   #2
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So, I mostly liked this issue.

The exchange between Kyle and Soranik was fun (only Terminator 1 & 2, LOL). I'd be fine with a rekindle of that one (makes more sense than Carol).

I liked the movie reference (Hal's a doer).

I thought [*spoilers*] they were pushing it with Hal saying the corps could call it a night before he even saw the impacts. I know Hal can be cocky, but he's not Guy.
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Old 04-28-2017, 11:34 PM   #3
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So, I mostly liked this issue.

The exchange between Kyle and Soranik was fun (only Terminator 1 & 2, LOL). I'd be fine with a rekindle of that one (makes more sense than Carol).

I liked the movie reference (Hal's a doer).

I thought [*spoilers*] they were pushing it with Hal saying the corps could call it a night before he even saw the impacts. I know Hal can be cocky, but he's not Guy.
I like their exchange, but the last time they talked Soranik was almost at his throat for lying to her, I don't see how she could just forget about it, wouldn't she doubt Kyle is using her as a compensation again? It does make more sense than Carol, of course. (Where's Cowgirl...)

Hal has always been pretty prideful, albeit he does it with more certainty than roughness (i.e. Guy). After all, he and Guy were both chosen at the same time, Hal just happened to be closer to the proximity (they haven't retcon that, have they?)

I'm still having trouble getting over the fact that Guy beat up Arkillos. If it was a ring-sling battle then I could see Guy having an edge, but they were brawling with raw muscle and Arkillos didn't break Guy's neck with his first punch? And several after? Are they serious? They could've let the two fight and Guy keeps getting back up, with Arkillos called it quit after acknowledging their similar loyalty and attitude, that would've been smoother. This is the same kind of BS that Sinestro could plan years ahead and Jordan would just rush with nothing but his ring and end a well-woven campaign, but the writer obviously wants the Earthlings to be banally powerful beyond science and logic.

And in this issue, an omen of the yellow fusing with the green. Hate it. GL is the center of the show, I get it, but do they really have to make it as if the universe cannot exist without the green, that green has to win all the time, soundly and dominantly? The seven Corps of equal strength forms a much more balance cast than making one of them far superior. What is a hero without a villain at least as powerful, who wins as frequently, and capable of giving heroes pause mentally?

I hope the Sinestro Corps and GL never merge, which seems to be the case with the current flow. I believe one could do good (and evil) with any color, with different methods from green, which is why I appreciate the potential of Sinestro Corps and Red Lanterns.
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:18 PM   #4
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So, I mostly liked this issue.

The exchange between Kyle and Soranik was fun (only Terminator 1 & 2, LOL). I'd be fine with a rekindle of that one (makes more sense than Carol).
Considering we're back to Guy having a drunk abusive Father instead of the New 52's prideful from a long line of Police officers one [which sadly means his sister no longer exists] then I think its safe to say the Kyle/Carol relationship never happened either.

This is what I can't stand about these constant Universal reboots. It makes everything confusing.
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Considering we're back to Guy having a drunk abusive Father instead of the New 52's prideful from a long line of Police officers one [which sadly means his sister no longer exists] then I think its safe to say the Kyle/Carol relationship never happened either.
I think I could live with that. That relationship was about as natural as Superman hooking up with Catwoman.
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I'm still having trouble getting over the fact that Guy beat up Arkillos. If it was a ring-sling battle then I could see Guy having an edge, but they were brawling with raw muscle and Arkillos didn't break Guy's neck with his first punch? And several after? Are they serious?
I have similar problem with that fight. Could Venditti really not have thought of a more interesting or creative way for Guy to come out on top? I get that Guy is Diehard and can take a beating, but that really stretched my suspension of disbelief.

In regards to the latest issue, I wasn't thrilled with the artwork. He seems like a decent artist, but the inconsistency makes me think he was either rushed or can't handle the schedule. The layouts and character acting was also flat to me. I hope he's not a regular on this book. I thought EVS and Sandoval switching off would be enough.

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I actually prefer Marion's art over Sandoval's, whose work I never particularly cared for, and I could never really get why people praised him. Not that he's a bad artist, but he just has a style I find uninteresting. Diff'rent strokes, I guess. I liked Marion on Bloodlines, too.

The schedule seems to be taking a toll on the art in general, it seems to me. There's oftentimes not a lot of work going on in the backgrounds, which is an indicator that the artists are rushing. Van Sciver turns in some really detailed stuff sometimes, but he cuts corners other times by copying and pasting panels here and there, and he skimps on backgrounds from time to time, too, or he'll make REALLY tiny figures in a big panel and won't even do a background, but leave it to the colorist to fill in with stars or sky. All of those things are corner cutting techniques, not that I entirely blame them, because I'm sure it's not always easy to keep up with the demands of the schedule.

Also, I'm going to guess off the top of my head that Van Sciver hasn't turned in as many issues as Sandoval has, but I'm too lazy at the moment to actually confirm that.

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Considering we're back to Guy having a drunk abusive Father instead of the New 52's prideful from a long line of Police officers one [which sadly means his sister no longer exists] then I think its safe to say the Kyle/Carol relationship never happened either.

This is what I can't stand about these constant Universal reboots. It makes everything confusing.
And where have all these changes in continuity come from? Convergence? I've never liked Guy coming from a huge family of Police officers (or having Kyle and Carol together in a relationship), but it seems odd to me they change details like these ones without explanation.
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I think its safe to say the Kyle/Carol relationship never happened either.
So Kyle never became the White Lantern? bc Carol was a big influence on that

Nor the entire Justin Jordan run or most of Vendetti where White Lantern was mayor factor?


Even King acwknoledge Kyle/Carol in Omega Men
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I think it's still in. I haven't seen anything to the contrary (like Kyle referring to Natu as his last date or something).
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And where have all these changes in continuity come from? Convergence? I've never liked Guy coming from a huge family of Police officers (or having Kyle and Carol together in a relationship), but it seems odd to me they change details like these ones without explanation.
It was in the 0 issues they did when they first rolled out the new 52.
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It was in the 0 issues they did when they first rolled out the new 52.
Yes, but what I was asking about is when have they erased that Guy's family of Police officers introduced in Green Lantern Corps #0 (if I remember it properly). I understood from your previous message that Guy's past has recently changed.
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Considering we're back to Guy having a drunk abusive Father instead of the New 52's prideful from a long line of Police officers one [which sadly means his sister no longer exists] then I think its safe to say the Kyle/Carol relationship never happened either.

This is what I can't stand about these constant Universal reboots. It makes everything confusing.
I haven't read the issue yet, but couldn't Guy's dad still be a cop and be an alcoholic and abusive to his family when he gets home?

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As far as I know, Guy Gardner's dad still has history as a police officer, as does Guy himself. I believe the abusive aspect of him was revisited in one of Charles Soule's Red Lantern issues. So, the short of it is Guy's dad is a cop who practiced domestic violence. Some cops are bad people.
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Yes, but what I was asking about is when have they erased that Guy's family of Police officers introduced in Green Lantern Corps #0 (if I remember it properly). I understood from your previous message that Guy's past has recently changed.
We got a glimpse that maybe back to the abusive alcoholic Dock worker Dad in the issue he fought Arkillo.
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So Kyle never became the White Lantern? bc Carol was a big influence on that

Nor the entire Justin Jordan run or most of Vendetti where White Lantern was mayor factor?


Even King acwknoledge Kyle/Carol in Omega Men
They can choose to... "fail to mention" it, expect readers to forget.

Where's cowgirl anyway.
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I'd rather see Kyle meet the Titans and hook back up with Donna....

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If they don't address the Carol Ferris/Kyle Rayner relationship, that's just ridiculous writing and editing, and I won't be able to take their storytelling seriously at all anymore. It's not that I'm invested in that relationship or anything, but I just can't take Green Lantern throwing stuff under the rug, pretending it never happened, never addressing key story elements, doing storylines that don't go anywhere, and so on. There's just been way too much of that over the past two or so years.

If they do that same thing to such a key story point from half of the New Guardians series, then it's gotten to the point where it isn't worth investing in ANYTHING because you don't know it if will be forgotten or brushed under the rug a couple months later. If that's where we're at then I say just go ahead and reboot the whole thing, because the continuity doesn't matter and readers don't know what actually does and doesn't count, even with stuff in very recent history.

If you want to get rid of the Kyle/Carol relationship, then okay, but at least address that it happened. Not doing that would be very amateurish and sloppy, in my opinion, and it's just going to cause readers to go "WTF!?"

My view is that they probably won't address it. What would make that scenario all the more hilarious is it would be the same guy who played a huge part in introducing the relationship who is now ignoring it. Seriously, what is going on over there? I mean, with the way they tell stories over there, if they wanted Kyle Rayner to be a Green Lantern again, they should have just introduced him in this new series as a Green Lantern and pretended the White Lantern thing never happened. That would be in keeping with other things they do.

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If they don't address the Carol Ferris/Kyle Rayner relationship, that's just ridiculous writing and editing, and I won't be able to take their storytelling seriously at all anymore. It's not that I'm invested in that relationship or anything, but I just can't take Green Lantern throwing stuff under the rug, pretending it never happened, never addressing key story elements, doing storylines that don't go anywhere, and so on. There's just been way too much of that over the past two or so years.
It's been going on since Geoff got attached to the characters and concepts, closer to ten years dude. Nothing ever came of the Guardians Ten Laws [we got like 3]. Nothing ever happened at the end of Emerald Warriors with that guy abducting telepaths who had control over Sodam Yat. Hell we haven't even seen Sodam since that arc I don't think.

None of us have taken the stories seriously in quite some time.

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It's been going on since Geoff got attached to the characters and concepts, closer to ten years dude. Nothing ever came of the Guardians Ten Laws [we got like 3]. Nothing ever happened at the end of Emerald Warriors with that guy abducting telepaths who had control over Sodam Yat. Hell we haven't even seen Sodam since that arc I don't think.

None of us have taken the stories seriously in quite some time.

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Yes. I suppose I've just fully come to the realization that these comics are now just an outlet to see the characters you may (or may not) like just... doing something. That seems to be the only draw here. You get to see a character (who you probably came to love from another story, not this one) just doing something. A worthwhile narrative that is compelling, makes sense, and actually explores the characters well doesn't seem like it is a priority here. At least from my perspective.

If all one needs is to see Hal Jordan fight something, then I guess the comic should work out okay for them.
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Add me to the list of people getting tired of dropped plot-threads. I didn't care for it when Geoff did it [part of the reason I still try to avoid his work], and I don't care for it now. Can we get some professionalism here?!

The Guy one I don't mind cause that could be an additive with his father being a cop and abusive atleast. But since convergence this is what, the 3rd dropped plot? Parallax is still a loose end [but atleast he can be saved for a later story I guess], the whole debacle of Lost Army [just being dropped as a story and hastily finished with no mention of whatever happened with Krona and Relic as well], and now apparently the Kyle/Carol relationship seems to be no more [which although started out badly I will admit I didn't mind the relationship at all, and would just want a one page, 'we're done moving on' explanation]. Also I'll just assume Omega Men will never be referenced as well [since that did end on more of a sour note, and Kyle doesn't seem affected by it at all]

Aside from the carelessness of the above, I did like the rest of where this story is going though. Utilizing Rip, having a new villain pop up, the reveal of who Space Ape is as well. [Well don't care for the Kyle/Soranik angle, feels definitely forced for now atleast]
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