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Kyle in the "right place, right time" category. 32 50.79%
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Old 01-20-2010, 06:24 PM   #1
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Default Old Kyle fact can be laid to rest?

I was rereading the GLC issue, in which Kyle "returned from the dead". I realized that the ring "chose" Kyle. A lot of people say Kyle was just in the right place at the right time, but is this valid proof that Kyle would have been chosen anyway, and Ganthet simply cut out "the middle man" and delivered it in person because it was so important. It could be said that Ganthet chose him as the "torchbearer", the being most imbued with the qualities to resurrect the corps. Let's hear what you think.

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Old 01-20-2010, 06:27 PM   #2
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That part has been overlooked by most actually, the fact this is the first time the ring truly ever chose Kyle as opposed to Ganthet giving him a ring. I don't think you can naturally say that because the ring chose him now, it would have then. Kyle has grown into the ring and has become much more full of will since his early days. I think it just means he is worthy now.
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Old 01-20-2010, 07:06 PM   #3
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Back then? Right place, right time. Without a doubt. That's what made it interesting. It could have happened to any of us.

But Kyle has grown and matured a lot since then. He has become the hero that the ring was looking for. So when he was close after his resurrection, it was obvious that the ring would choose him.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:07 PM   #4
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Right place right time at first, but in the ION: "Tales of the GLC" one shot that followed the SCW, Kyle appeared before the Guardians after losing the Ion power and they "re-inducted" him into the Corps as a regular Green Lantern, making it clear that they wanted him in the Corps. You could say that this made it official.
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Old 01-20-2010, 08:19 PM   #5
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Back then? Right place, right time. Without a doubt. That's what made it interesting. It could have happened to any of us.
That is also what annoyed many people though, since Green Lanterns were not selected randomly and Kyle seemingly was, even though Ganthet tried to talk his way out of that back in issue #150 when Kyle recharged the CPB and brought back the Guardians.
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Ron Marz said it was the right place right time. On our podcast he said that's the ony place where he's openly argued with Geoff Johns, who believes Kyle was like a Chosen One, Destined to Get the Ring One Day.
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Agreed. It is kinda revisionist history to think otherwise. The whole point of Kyle was to make him an everyman, a Peter Parker like character, who was lucky (or unlucky) enough to be in the right place, right time and ended up with special powers.
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I forget which issue it's in, but in one of the Green Lantern Secret Files, Guy claims that Ganthet came to him first, but Guy told him to stuff it. Kyle was the closest the guardian could find with the little energy he had left. I believe he said to Kyle "You will have to do".
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I like the idea of him being chosen and not just lucky. but hey who am I.
I also think if thats what the original writer wanted to happen,then it may have to stay that way,unless someone can alter the timeline.....oh wait.
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Back then? Right place, right time. Without a doubt. That's what made it interesting. It could have happened to any of us.

But Kyle has grown and matured a lot since then. He has become the hero that the ring was looking for. So when he was close after his resurrection, it was obvious that the ring would choose him.
That's what I'd say.
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Back then? Right place, right time. Without a doubt. That's what made it interesting. It could have happened to any of us.

But Kyle has grown and matured a lot since then. He has become the hero that the ring was looking for. So when he was close after his resurrection, it was obvious that the ring would choose him.
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I forget which issue it's in, but in one of the Green Lantern Secret Files, Guy claims that Ganthet came to him first, but Guy told him to stuff it. Kyle was the closest the guardian could find with the little energy he had left. I believe he said to Kyle "You will have to do".
That definitely happened in one of the Secret Files issues and also does reinforce the idea that Kyle was pretty much the only option Ganthet had left at the time. It also adds to the Guy/Kyle relationship on some level since both had that chance to be the last ring bearer and if Guy had accepted it, Kyle's life would obviously have been incredibly different.
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Right place, right time.

It's taken Kyle close to a decade to come to terms with wearing the damn thing.
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Agreed. It is kinda revisionist history to think otherwise. The whole point of Kyle was to make him an everyman, a Peter Parker like character, who was lucky (or unlucky) enough to be in the right place, right time and ended up with special powers.
Alex = Gwen Stacy?
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That definitely happened in one of the Secret Files issues and also does reinforce the idea that Kyle was pretty much the only option Ganthet had left at the time. It also adds to the Guy/Kyle relationship on some level since both had that chance to be the last ring bearer and if Guy had accepted it, Kyle's life would obviously have been incredibly different.
Yeah it did happen in a Secret Files Book, but you gota remember who was telling that story,,,GUY,,,I sure he was exageratting. We all know Guy and his personality. I don't really take his word for that. Besides according to a Monitor, Kyle would have been GL on Earth-8 anyway. So I still lean towards chosen.
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Alex = Gwen Stacy?
Oh Snap! Whoa. Good Comparision.
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Saying 'snap' in a post referencing Gwen is poor taste.

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Saying "Splash" would have probably been worse tho.
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That part has been overlooked by most actually, the fact this is the first time the ring truly ever chose Kyle as opposed to Ganthet giving him a ring. I don't think you can naturally say that because the ring chose him now, it would have then. Kyle has grown into the ring and has become much more full of will since his early days. I think it just means he is worthy now.
At the same time they've said time and again that the ring can't be used by just anyone.
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At the same time they've said time and again that the ring can't be used by just anyone.
Ah, another valid point brought into the discussion. As we saw in Final Crisis:Legion of 3 worlds, we know that a Guardian can use his own moral code to choose without Mogo. Sodam Yat did it as the last Guardian. That would mean that Ganthet chose Kyle. I don't think he would have flown all the way across the universe to just give the ring to the first person he ran into. And if so, why Earth??? Why not somewhere else?

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Cause Earth is for some reason, the focal point of the universe.
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They published a retcon about five years later showing that Guy argrily rejected the ring because he blamed everything on the Guardians. Ganthet was almost out of power, so he had to give the ring to Kyle and say, "You'll have to do."

It was absolutely ridiculous for Guy to reject the ring with Parallax on the loose, but they had to retcon it some way, so they lunged at that stupid scenario.

As Ethan Van Scriver once said, I donlt want to read any more stories about anyone rejecting a power ring, because NOBODY would do that. That was what immediately put me off about Soranik Natu.
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Cause Earth is for some reason, the focal point of the universe.
Sure that is true, but Ganthet could have found someone, anyone that was worthy. Like I said before, the story of Guy being offered first was from his point of view, and if you read it carefully, you can see that he is telling it from a disgruntled viewpoint. So he probably made it up to save face. I think that is what the writer was getting at. BUt that is just an opinion. BUT somewhere between Earth and Oa there had to be a worthy ring bearer, why would Ganthet have come all that way to just pawn it off on anyone?
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Because he probably never thought, knowing Guy, that Guy would ever reject it. Plus Guy, despite his flaws, was a proven GL and already trained.

No one ever said Kyle had no ability to focus or use will at all. This is just about why he was chosen to begin with. If we're told essentially by Ganthet "right place, right time" and Marz himself says that, and he wrote the issue, it would seem pretty straight forward that this was the intent back then. On some levels, it is like Star Wars fans arguing whether Luke or Anakin was truly the chosen one (and some did), despite the fact that Lucas said Anakin was the chosen one, case closed. I can see why people now, especially Kyle fans, can look back now and say "See, it was meant to be" but clearly that wasn't the intent at the time.

And LOL at the Gwen=Alex thing. Yes, I guess you could make that analogy then.
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